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PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby singapore1234 » Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:53 am

Hi

My wife and I have been working and living in Singapore on P1 EP since May 2013, and wish to apply for PR for the 2nd time around (our first application got rejected in Sep 2014).
We are expecting a male child in July this year, so we were wondering if its better to apply now in March (we already have an appointment) or after our child is born, say sometime in September. Or can we apply both times, each time with a different primary applicant?
Also, is there a way to indicate information on our expected child while filing the application ?

Any suggestions/ feedback is most welcome.

Thanks
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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby ecureilx » Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32 am

singapore1234 wrote:Hi

My wife and I have been working and living in Singapore on P1 EP since May 2013, and wish to apply for PR for the 2nd time around (our first application got rejected in Sep 2014).
We are expecting a male child in July this year, so we were wondering if its better to apply now in March (we already have an appointment) or after our child is born, say sometime in September. Or can we apply both times, each time with a different primary applicant?
Also, is there a way to indicate information on our expected child while filing the application ?

Any suggestions/ feedback is most welcome.

Thanks
A


Applying now or bit later, may not make much of a difference, unless you wait for the unofficial wait of 3 years / 3 NOA, before applying :)

What do you mean with a different primary applicant ?

that's a bit odd and suspicious.

I would expect you to apply as primary applicant and include your family, and mention a boy on the way, in the application.

or did you mean increase your bets by switching primary applicant ? why would you do something like that ?? [-X [-X

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby x9200 » Mon, 09 Mar 2015 8:36 am

As far as I understand the OP, BOTH himself and his wife are on EP P1 so there could be a 2nd primary applicants.

OP: as of the main question: I would wait at least till the kid is born. If you are Indian, I would wait till you have at least 3 tax assessment. IMHO you lowered already your chances applying earlier. If you didn't do it, the application after your kid is born could be seen as a natural move even without the 3 tax assessments in hand. Now it just looks like you are desperate and can not follow the basic application steps required.

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:11 am

x9200 wrote:As far as I understand the OP, BOTH himself and his wife are on EP P1 so there could be a 2nd primary applicants.

OP: as of the main question: I would wait at least till the kid is born. If you are Indian, I would wait till you have at least 3 tax assessment. IMHO you lowered already your chances applying earlier. If you didn't do it, the application after your kid is born could be seen as a natural move even without the 3 tax assessments in hand. Now it just looks like you are desperate and can not follow the basic application steps required.

He's gonna increase his winning chance by submitting again under his wife ...

Just saying ...

Then again in Asia the man is the head of the family and that view runs in ICA too I believe

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby x9200 » Mon, 09 Mar 2015 12:18 pm

I think ICA are no idiots and they will see this is about the same people.

More-over, ICA seemed to have this tendency for the LTVP application to reject it if, for example the EP holder, was a female and the LTVP to be holder was male. Taking this as some general cultural based preference I would expect the male main PR applicant to have higher chances for the applications with the rest of the family included (but probably not true if both the wife and husband are the EP holders).

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 09 Mar 2015 1:32 pm

x9200 wrote:I think ICA are no idiots and they will see this is about the same people.


My post on increasing the chances missed the sarcasm icon

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby niceit198 » Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:05 pm

indicate your wife pregnant i think not a point, as i did before and i feel that dont add any advantage.
Any reason was mention in your 1st rejection ?

singapore1234 wrote:Hi

My wife and I have been working and living in Singapore on P1 EP since May 2013, and wish to apply for PR for the 2nd time around (our first application got rejected in Sep 2014).
We are expecting a male child in July this year, so we were wondering if its better to apply now in March (we already have an appointment) or after our child is born, say sometime in September. Or can we apply both times, each time with a different primary applicant?
Also, is there a way to indicate information on our expected child while filing the application ?

Any suggestions/ feedback is most welcome.

Thanks
A

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 19 Mar 2015 8:37 pm

niceit198 wrote:indicate your wife pregnant i think not a point, as i did before and i feel that dont add any advantage.
Any reason was mention in your 1st rejection ?

singapore1234 wrote:Hi

My wife and I have been working and living in Singapore on P1 EP since May 2013, and wish to apply for PR for the 2nd time around (our first application got rejected in Sep 2014).
We are expecting a male child in July this year, so we were wondering if its better to apply now in March (we already have an appointment) or after our child is born, say sometime in September. Or can we apply both times, each time with a different primary applicant?
Also, is there a way to indicate information on our expected child while filing the application ?

Any suggestions/ feedback is most welcome.

Thanks
A

Have you seen a rejection letter giving a reason?

The only possibility for any reason you may get is if you file an appeal and managed to talk to the officer ... you may hear them throwing possible reasons ...

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby the lynx » Fri, 20 Mar 2015 9:18 am

singapore1234 wrote:Hi

My wife and I have been working and living in Singapore on P1 EP since May 2013, and wish to apply for PR for the 2nd time around (our first application got rejected in Sep 2014).
We are expecting a male child in July this year, so we were wondering if its better to apply now in March (we already have an appointment) or after our child is born, say sometime in September. Or can we apply both times, each time with a different primary applicant?
Also, is there a way to indicate information on our expected child while filing the application ?

Any suggestions/ feedback is most welcome.

Thanks
A


What did your first rejection letter say? Did it ask you to reapply after X number of years, or did it say "you're welcome to stay on your existing visa"?

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby bambolo » Wed, 18 Nov 2015 3:25 am

My wife and I are expecting a male child end of this year as well. We want to reapply but wonder when is the best time.

Our profile:
Husband: doctor trained locally. Been here since 2010 on student pass and on EP since 2014. Will only have 2 years of tax return by April 2016. Nepali passport. Main applicant.

Wife: BA and MBA from US. Was working abroad. Moved to and worked in Singapore since 2013 on EP. Stopped working mid-2015 and plan to go back to work mid-2016 after our son is born. Holding Vietnamese passport

We applied in Oct2014, rejected Jan2015 "you're welcome to stay as long as your pass is valid".

Our current appointment is April 2016 but that may be too early as my wife may not find a job by then. Will both wife and kid on DP be seen as negatives?

Do I need to wait for the third tax assessment to reapply?

Thanks!

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby BBCWatcher » Wed, 18 Nov 2015 8:07 am

ICA's Form 4A instructions request the last three income tax notices of assessment (or written permission to obtain tax records directly from IRAS). You won't have three notices until sometime in 2017. Although ICA does not explain in detail how they evaluate PR applications, I think it's reasonable to assume they at least prefer a minimum of three notices.

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:14 am

bambolo wrote:We applied in Oct2014, rejected Jan2015 "you're welcome to stay as long as your pass


Sadly, this more or less says it all. Good luck if you reapply. I feel you are going to need it.

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby bambolo » Wed, 18 Nov 2015 4:22 pm

Thanks, guy. I am bonded to work in Singapore for another 5 years. In medical profession it's hard to move to another healthcare system/country after you're trained in one after the initial 5 years or you'll have to do basic training again. A bit frustrating they wouldn't give out PR to someone they wanted to bond.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:11 am

bambolo wrote:Thanks, guy. I am bonded to work in Singapore for another 5 years. In medical profession it's hard to move to another healthcare system/country after you're trained in one after the initial 5 years or you'll have to do basic training again. A bit frustrating they wouldn't give out PR to someone they wanted to bond.

You mean your medical degree is from here ?

As of now Singapore wants overseas Citizens to come back and work as doctors, not sure they had the likes of you in mind ....

Every time I bumped into any MP the topic was about how Singapore welcomes medical professionals but in reality ....

If you ask me, try ... regardless your child is a boy or girl.

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Re: PR Application - Expecting a male child

Postby BBCWatcher » Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:54 am

My personal opinion is that it would be unwise to ignore ICA's Form 4A instructions a second time. I would wait until you have the three years of income tax assessments. That'll also allow more time for you and your wife (if she chooses) to get promotions, salary increases, etc.


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