Singapore Expats Forum

EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Discuss about life in Singapore. Ask about cost of living, housing, travel, etiquette & lifestyle. Share experience & advice with Singaporeans & expat staying in Singapore.

Sponsored by:
Image
AE Logistics - Movers & Storage

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9266
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby ecureilx » Wed, 04 Mar 2015 6:38 pm

zzm9980 wrote:.

But if that WAS true and Wikipedia false, can you imagine how many Geylang Chickens would be poking holes in condoms? :)


More so, the upmarket KTV girls who get jumped by well healed towkays in rollers and beemers and mercs.



I meant patronized by

iiko
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed, 04 Mar 2015

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby iiko » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 5:25 am

bgd wrote:
iiko wrote:
1) Can I legally give birth in Singapore under my present valid EP?



Your EP is tied to your job. Will you be able to keep your job with this pregnancy, or afterwards with a child to look after? If the answer is no then you need to consider on what basis you can continue to reside here.


>> Yes, I believe I am able to keep my job.

iiko
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed, 04 Mar 2015

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby iiko » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 5:40 am

So sorry for my late reply, I just read all the comments from everyone. I will do more research. Btw, Can anyone point me to the relevant Singapore Government agency to seeking counseling? Should I speak to MOM because I am under EP?

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9266
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 6:22 am

iiko wrote:So sorry for my late reply, I just read all the comments from everyone. I will do more research. Btw, Can anyone point me to the relevant Singapore Government agency to seeking counseling? Should I speak to MOM because I am under EP?


Ministry of Social and Family Development I believe is the right place, but as an EP holder, I am not sure if they will extend the privileges given to Citizens !

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 34262
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 6:54 am

My suggestion is find a Singaporean husband immediately. He doesn't have to be rich or famous but he must not have any baggage like a current wife. As you are on an EP, you don't require permission from the MOM to marry so that is no problem (only WP holder must get permission). Otherwise you and your child are going to get really tied up in red tape to the point of total frustration and a lot of emotional pain (more than you are currently enduring if that's possible).

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9164
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby x9200 » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 7:25 am

zzm9980 wrote:Everything on ICA is very ambiguous if the child is born in Singapore with a SC father and it is out of wedlock. Other cases on ICA's site make a distinction if the child is born overseas and whether they received citizenship by birth in that country or not. Even the application itself calls the spouse details "if applicable". Like all things Singapore, I suspect if the father has a good enough profile (sufficient income and true blue or 'if he registered today, he would be approved') the child's citizenship request will be approved.

Note how spousal details says "if applicable":
http://www.ica.gov.sg/data/resources/do ... rmSCRM.pdf
For the overseas born, this part it is covered more-less verbatim from the Constitution. For being vague on the other hand, the gov leaves in the Constitution some "back doors". One of them is visible in the last paragraph of what I quoted earlier:

Notwithstanding clause (2)(c), the Government may, where it considers it just and fair and having regard to all the circumstances prevailing at the time of the application, confer citizenship upon a person born in Singapore.

I expect there has to be something like this somewhere in this very Constitution. The trick with the Constitution is it should not IMHO contain an universal article like this empowering the authorities to change anything and I don't see a specific (non-universal) one under the citizenship chapter (and I am too lazy to read the rest).

Edited to add: actually, a general article referring to traditional and family values could address it (as well as the anti-gay law and probably some more).

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9164
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby x9200 » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 8:18 am

Found it. Is in the Third Schedule:
Illegitimate children and adopted children
15.—(1) For the purposes of Part X, references to a person’s father or to his parent or to one of his parents shall, in relation to a person who is illegitimate, be construed as references to his mother.

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9266
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 8:26 am

in general terms, I was told that Singapore used to freely hand out Citizenship, and I am talking of pre-80s ?

Even those who's wives were visiting, when they delivered, they were more or less told their son is an SC

Things have changed, and have been extremely tightened !

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9164
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby x9200 » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 8:42 am

The quoted article from the Third Schedule seems to be introduced in 2004.

User avatar
zzm9980
Governor
Governor
Posts: 6837
Joined: Wed, 06 Jul 2011
Location: Once more unto the breach

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 4:25 pm

x9200 wrote:Found it. Is in the Third Schedule:
Illegitimate children and adopted children
15.—(1) For the purposes of Part X, references to a person’s father or to his parent or to one of his parents shall, in relation to a person who is illegitimate, be construed as references to his mother.


So if this applies, then it's correct that OP is SOL. Since she is the mother and not an S/C.

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9164
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby x9200 » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 5:41 pm

Yep.
But if she is on EP, will managed to keep her job and the father of the child will play fair with her then no all her hopes should be gone.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 34262
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 6:39 pm

So, finally, we are back to my initial reply. ;-)

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9164
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby x9200 » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 6:54 pm

Nooo, not like this. It was clear that this was (most likely) true, but it was not clear why it seemed to disagree with the Constitution. Now we know it, will remember it and can bravely attack any ecureilx saying something different with no help from local newspapers!

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9266
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 8:04 pm

x9200 wrote:Nooo, not like this. It was clear that this was (most likely) true, but it was not clear why it seemed to disagree with the Constitution. Now we know it, will remember it and can bravely attack any ecureilx saying something different with no help from local newspapers!

I think you are trying to compliment me there ...

But at least now it is clear thanks to the conflicting information cleared

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 34262
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Re: EP Holder Pregnant with Married Singaporean

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 05 Mar 2015 9:06 pm

I wasn't conflicted at all..... :???: :cool:


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Staying, Living in Singapore”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest