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Marrying hassles

Postby Aragorn2000 » Sat, 21 Feb 2015 9:04 pm

http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ ... nations-do

Indians are not allowed to marry "whites" in Europe?

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Postby JR8 » Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:29 pm

I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion.

Was it from this?
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'Besides, getting married to a non-Indian in India came with its own set of hassles if you wanted to get the marriage legalised in the respective countries of the marrying couple. Europe is super- strict when it comes to marriages of Indians to Europeans solemnised in India.
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So the alleged issue would seem to be of such marriages, performed in India, being recognised in Europe. Well, it's like some of the Indian university accreditations perhaps, 'most things possible for $25', and no one in the west quite knows what is real and what isn't.

Of course this couple could have got married in India, and if necessary ROM'd here in Singapore. The latter is good enough for Europe to consider it legit. Or instead of SG, they could have done the equivalent of ROM'ing in Europe... it's very simple, and then there would be no issues.

But hey, the sycophantic boot-licking article will likely be included in his future application for PR here... lol [/cynic]
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Re: Marrying hassles

Postby nakatago » Sun, 22 Feb 2015 8:01 am

JR8 wrote:the sycophantic boot-licking


That and the cherry-picking of only the favorable opinions to paint itself in the best light.

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Re: Marrying hassles

Postby Aragorn2000 » Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:57 am

JR8 wrote:I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion.

Was it from this?
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'Besides, getting married to a non-Indian in India came with its own set of hassles if you wanted to get the marriage legalised in the respective countries of the marrying couple. Europe is super- strict when it comes to marriages of Indians to Europeans solemnised in India.
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So the alleged issue would seem to be of such marriages, performed in India, being recognised in Europe. Well, it's like some of the Indian university accreditations perhaps, 'most things possible for $25', and no one in the west quite knows what is real and what isn't.

Of course this couple could have got married in India, and if necessary ROM'd here in Singapore. The latter is good enough for Europe to consider it legit. Or instead of SG, they could have done the equivalent of ROM'ing in Europe... it's very simple, and then there would be no issues.

But hey, the sycophantic boot-licking article will likely be included in his future application for PR here... lol [/cynic]


That and the entire article. I was just wondering why he couldn't register his marriage in Europe.
Or he could have registered his marriage with those drive-thru services in Vegas :lol:

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:19 am

Aragorn2000 wrote:That and the entire article. I was just wondering why he couldn't register his marriage in Europe. Or he could have registered his marriage with those drive-thru services in Vegas :lol:


Who knows, and he doesn't even hint why, just leaves us to probably accept what he says at face value. Maybe his understanding of what is possible is simply incorrect? I certainly don't know of any reason why such a thing might be. Maybe such a misunderstanding plays to popular uninformed local prejudice, and so is convenient to his story-line?

Anyway, he doesn't have to worry about the mean mean world out West: He's now sinking his roots in the Promised Land of unicorns and rainbows :P :lol:



Side-thought: Does one have to 'sink roots' in order to navigate the path towards becoming a Sinkie? :cool: :lol:
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Re: Marrying hassles

Postby x9200 » Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:50 am

I would not be surprised if this big hassle was about requirements of getting some certificates from India.

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:31 pm

I googled a bit for the sake of curiosity and most of the EU countries requires for a foreigner to deliver a “no impediment” certificate. This is for any foreigner to local citizen registration marriages so nothing India specific but this certificate should be obtained from the foreigner's country authorities.

Now, if the certificate is for some reason not possible to be obtained, this requirement may be lifted by applying for a waiver to the relevant court (probably family).

Getting back to the article, what he suggested in his vague statements was that the problem was on one hand because his fiance left Germany when she was 16, and on the other hand, because the Indian marriage certificate could not be easily recognized in Germany. Probably the first part had something to do with the residency (they never lived in Germany?)

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Postby JR8 » Sun, 22 Feb 2015 2:34 pm

x9200 wrote:I googled a bit for the sake of curiosity and most of the EU countries requires for a foreigner to deliver a “no impediment” certificate. This is for any foreigner to local citizen registration marriages so nothing India specific but this certificate should be obtained from the foreigner's country authorities. Now, if the certificate is for some reason not possible to be obtained, this requirement may be lifted by applying for a waiver to the relevant court (probably family).



Interesting! I wonder if this has been passed down within EU law. In the UK, Scotland was long the place to go and have a 'shotgun wedding' a la Las Vegas. In fact the first town over the border from England, Gretna Green, is synonymous with desperate last minute dashes to tie the knot. This requirement you mention now seems to also have been implemented there also, which is a significant tightening.

For anyone interested: http://www.gretnagreen.com/faqs-a773
'Q. How long do I need to arrange my wedding?
A. You can no longer just turn up to be married at Gretna Green, the minimum period of time required for arranging your wedding is 28 working days (this is how long it takes the Registrars to check your documentation and draw up your marriage schedule). The maximum period for submitting your M10 form to the Registrars is 3 months'.


And this form 'M10'? It's includes this requirement:

'H31 - If you are a foreign national domiciled in another country, outside the United Kingdom, you should provide a certificate of no impediment to marriage, issued by the competent authority there, to the effect that you are free to marry. Most European countries issue certificates of no impediment but other countries may not do so. If for any reason you are unable to enclose such a certificate, state the reason.
http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files/regi ... rm-m10.pdf

I expect if this situation applied to oneself, one could do some digging around and see quite how this point above might apply vs your precise circumstances.

As this is probably EU derived law, I can't help but wondering whether similar applies in other EU countries. Sadly my 'technical' German is in no way up to the task of investigating whether that might be so, and apply, in Germany.
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