Dang! That's rather spot on. As more jobs are outsourced, you have to be in the country that is handling the outsourcing in order to get that job.brian_singapore wrote:I wonder when it will occur to the folks in the article (who seemed mostly young and entry level) that a much larger problem is the level of outsourcing in mncs means there simply are no entry level and intermediate positions available.
In my area, we don't have any positions below the manager / 10 years of experience mark and then very few at that level. Every thing else has been outsourced. There are no entry points available in my organization and no path that gets you from entry level into management.
Where I work the foreigners aren't taking their (entry and mid-level) jobs because their are none to take. Those are all in India, China and Malaysia.
This means Singapore will be in a vicious circle of always needing to bring in senior level talent because the means to develop this locally won't exist...
brian_singapore wrote:I wonder when it will occur to the folks in the article (who seemed mostly young and entry level) that a much larger problem is the level of outsourcing in mncs means there simply are no entry level and intermediate positions available.
In my area, we don't have any positions below the manager / 10 years of experience mark and then very few at that level. Every thing else has been outsourced. There are no entry points available in my organization and no path that gets you from entry level into management.
Where I work the foreigners aren't taking their (entry and mid-level) jobs because their are none to take. Those are all in India, China and Malaysia.
This means Singapore will be in a vicious circle of always needing to bring in senior level talent because the means to develop this locally won't exist...
But....isn't at least some of it starting to come back? Not manufacturing so much but a little that and other industries?Strong Eagle wrote: Dang! That's rather spot on. As more jobs are outsourced, you have to be in the country that is handling the outsourcing in order to get that job.
And, it's exactly what's happened to American manufacturing... if you want to make Briggs and Stratton engines, you need to move to Mexico.
I miss the old days of the tea trolley. They were phased out in the name of 'efficiency' but I think the old tea ladies (never saw a tea man) contributed to the organisation's productivity. As long as one stuck mainly to tea that is.JR8 wrote:Ethel the tea-lady in her blue nylon house-coat would come around with both tea and beer, and biscuits on her trolley (free). Like something from Eastenders with a fearsomely quick acid tongue to match when thought justified (seemingly most of the time). If you weren't well half-lashed by 2pm then you were 'shy'.
I honestly have no idea. I was rather shocked at the level of penetration outsourcers in Singapore have achieved with the MNCs here. I suspect Singapore's proximity to outsource locations and being in the same timezone has made the current level acheivable.Sporkin wrote:Good point. Picking your brain if you don't mind, how would you combat this?
If there are no entry level positions to develop talent locally, and if the foreign worker policies in the outsourced to countries are not so friendly or are protected?
If we did that here, there wouldn't be enough people to hold a meeting....Mi Amigo wrote:We should organise an event whereby all the 'FTs' take two weeks' holiday at the same time, leaving the whingers to try to run the place on their own. The first 12 days would be spent holding meetings during which nothing got decided; then they'd all agree to just wait because the foreign trash would be coming back in a couple of days to take care of everything.
Outsource companies, who have a presence here but are based elsewhere, are benefiting by those roles moving from here to where they are based or have other installations.brian_singapore wrote:I honestly have no idea. I was rather shocked at the level of penetration outsourcers in Singapore have achieved with the MNCs here. I suspect Singapore's proximity to outsource locations and being in the same timezone has made the current level acheivable.Sporkin wrote:Good point. Picking your brain if you don't mind, how would you combat this?
If there are no entry level positions to develop talent locally, and if the foreign worker policies in the outsourced to countries are not so friendly or are protected?
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There is a recognition internally here that the pendulum has swung too far (at the most senior levels) and we now have a lot of problems because we've given away the keys to the chicken coops. But it's a very difficult trend to reverse as it will cost a lot of money to in-source again.
I agree with that too.brian_singapore wrote:By reversing the trend, I meant moving positions back from the outsourcers to full-time positions within the company. At senior levels, this is happening in Singapore. At more junior and intermediate levels, it's happening via captive offshore centers.
The issue isn't related to direct headcount costs per se. It's related to retaining the knowledge and control of our systems and infrastructure. We've given that away and it's causing a lot of problems and hidden costs.
This has in fact, been very bad for the company.
brian_singapore wrote:By reversing the trend, I meant moving positions back from the outsourcers to full-time positions within the company. At senior levels, this is happening in Singapore. At more junior and intermediate levels, it's happening via captive offshore centers.
The issue isn't related to direct headcount costs per se. It's related to retaining the knowledge and control of our systems and infrastructure. We've given that away and it's causing a lot of problems and hidden costs.
This has in fact, been very bad for the company.
But none of this helps the entry level and intermediate Singaporeans looking for good career prospects at an MNC.
But ... if they don't win the voters they gonna have a tough time ..sundaymorningstaple wrote:Sadly, that's what happens once the government has been given a sharp prod that was uncomfortable. Now, virtually everything they are doing seems to be kneejerk reactions without any long term what'if's having been discussed. It's like their think tank either dried up or immigrated.
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