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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 8:44 am

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Wd40 wrote:May be we can create a thread here specifically for buying/selling liquor by people who travel overseas and can get 2 ltrs of alcohol into the country.

I am beer drinker so I never buy hard liquor when I am coming back from a travel, but looking at the prices, I always wished to get some bottles and sell it here.


You do realize what you're proposing is illegal, right? Duty free is for *personal* consumption.


I have seen a few ads in other forums, which is why I thought its okay to sell. But you are right, I just looked up the Customs website. Its an offense to even give it away. I mean, you must make sure, you drink it all by yourself :lol: I guess its as serious an offense as jaywalking and littering is. :wink:

https://www.google.com.sg/?gfe_rd=cr&ei ... ebikes.com


You're probably right it happens, and sharing or giving away booze is probably similar to jay walking or giving away gum. Now, if there was a well known resource coordinating 'gum giving away', or mass-jaywalks, the authorities may eventually crack down on that a bit harder. Given that the strict stance you see from moderators on this forum on such trivial things as even linking to articles from Straits Times what you're proposing likely wouldn't be tolerated.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 8:45 am

x9200 wrote:A person with a salary on a P1 level wants to create a separate thread to earn $40 a year selling DFS alcohol.


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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 9:44 am

what happened to you wd40? bought and sold stocks, bought new smartphones and now you want to bootleg liquor to recover the money for your smartphones?

damm you are an embarrassment.
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Postby JR8 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:03 am

Wd40 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:You do realize what you're proposing is illegal, right? Duty free is for *personal* consumption.


I have seen a few ads in other forums, which is why I thought its okay to sell. But you are right, I just looked up the Customs website. Its an offense to even give it away. I mean, you must make sure, you drink it all by yourself :lol:


So does this mean that if I have a party I can't serve friends with DF wine/liquor? Surely not. And if friends/relatives coming to stay buy a bottle on arrival (DFS Changi) as a gift for me, they're breaking the law :???:


p.s. might there be some nuance in 'personal consumption' vs 'personal use' the latter incl gifting but excluding buying to resell for a profit?

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:55 am

zzm9980 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:May be we can create a thread here specifically for buying/selling liquor by people who travel overseas and can get 2 ltrs of alcohol into the country.

I am beer drinker so I never buy hard liquor when I am coming back from a travel, but looking at the prices, I always wished to get some bottles and sell it here.


You do realize what you're proposing is illegal, right? Duty free is for *personal* consumption.


I know guys who buy a bottle every time they step back home, and when needed, they do a sale ..

more like investment with not much appreciation of value .. and cash it when you are low on $

look up the New Paper, a lot of ads for buying Liquor

As long as you are not organizing tour groups (a-la Indian tourists) or enticing people to buy in Duty free to buy dozens of bottles etc, I guess there is no law broken.

btw, just for info, Duty Free Whiskey / Liquor is NOT CHEAP, for bars/pubs

their whole sale rate is much, much, much cheaper, so .. no bar / pub owner who knows his trade will every buy from a Duty Free buyer, unless they are having credit issues with all the whole salers, and parallel importers, or made enemy with all whole salers/distis to even do cash-and-carry !!!

And the whole sale distributors strictly manage their channels next to impossible is the word for anybody trying to scrounge out a bottle or two from whole salers

I have go them free, but with the condition I drink in the owner's bar and not to be taken out, until it is half used, lest I sell it (I assume so .. )

so, WD40, you cannot expand your business there ;) ;) you have a limited, pretty limited market :D

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Postby JR8 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:40 am

ecureilx wrote:btw, just for info, Duty Free Whiskey / Liquor is NOT CHEAP, for bars/pubs


I don't think DFS here merits any attention at all, apart from spirits, and since I don't drink them at home (nor does the family)... there's no need.

I have found the price of wine in DFS to be about the same at NTUC, and there's nothing else I'm likely to wish to buy at an airport. So for me, DFS-SG is a complete non-event.

Now places like Dubai are another matter completely... 8-)

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:16 pm

ecureilx wrote:
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Wd40 wrote:May be we can create a thread here specifically for buying/selling liquor by people who travel overseas and can get 2 ltrs of alcohol into the country.

I am beer drinker so I never buy hard liquor when I am coming back from a travel, but looking at the prices, I always wished to get some bottles and sell it here.


You do realize what you're proposing is illegal, right? Duty free is for *personal* consumption.


I know guys who buy a bottle every time they step back home, and when needed, they do a sale ..

more like investment with not much appreciation of value .. and cash it when you are low on $

look up the New Paper, a lot of ads for buying Liquor

As long as you are not organizing tour groups (a-la Indian tourists) or enticing people to buy in Duty free to buy dozens of bottles etc, I guess there is no law broken.

btw, just for info, Duty Free Whiskey / Liquor is NOT CHEAP, for bars/pubs

their whole sale rate is much, much, much cheaper, so .. no bar / pub owner who knows his trade will every buy from a Duty Free buyer, unless they are having credit issues with all the whole salers, and parallel importers, or made enemy with all whole salers/distis to even do cash-and-carry !!!

And the whole sale distributors strictly manage their channels next to impossible is the word for anybody trying to scrounge out a bottle or two from whole salers

I have go them free, but with the condition I drink in the owner's bar and not to be taken out, until it is half used, lest I sell it (I assume so .. )

so, WD40, you cannot expand your business there ;) ;) you have a limited, pretty limited market :D


So is this the law? "Anyone can resell as long as it isn't an organized group tour"?
Or just random musings of a french squirrel who happens to have a track record of inaccuracies slightly worse than wd40?

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:18 pm

JR8 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:You do realize what you're proposing is illegal, right? Duty free is for *personal* consumption.


I have seen a few ads in other forums, which is why I thought its okay to sell. But you are right, I just looked up the Customs website. Its an offense to even give it away. I mean, you must make sure, you drink it all by yourself :lol:


So does this mean that if I have a party I can't serve friends with DF wine/liquor? Surely not. And if friends/relatives coming to stay buy a bottle on arrival (DFS Changi) as a gift for me, they're breaking the law :???:


p.s. might there be some nuance in 'personal consumption' vs 'personal use' the latter incl gifting but excluding buying to resell for a profit?


Good question. If serving it to your friends is illegal, I'm guessing it is enforced about as often as the "technically it isn't legal to come to Singapore and have work meetings on an SVP" legal interpretation.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 1:41 pm

zzm9980 wrote:So is this the law? "Anyone can resell as long as it isn't an organized group tour"?
Or just random musings of a french squirrel who happens to have a track record of inaccuracies slightly worse than wd40?


Like previously for cigerettes, where they used to ask if they see a packed for whom this packet is for, and a friend once got caught when she blurted that is a non-smoker when the guy asked .. (the days you can bring in one packet .. ) ..

I am sure if ICA sees smugglers smuggling in one bottle at a time, as impacting their bottom line, they will warn it is illegal to bring a bottle as a gift/trade in kind/or for sale .. unless it is for personal consumption !!!

or they would have by now, stuck a sticker on the bottles sold in Duty Free - "NOT FOR SALE OUTSIDE DUTY FREE" .. or "NOT FOR RESALE"

If it is considered bad, it won't take long for a law to say so, which hasn't happened, and the DFS actually upsells saying 'you can buy for a friend you know .. ' (to meet the duty limit, when you only pick up beer or only wine .. )

I believe you are not aware of what I mentioned by 'organizing tours' .. in any case, I referred to groups being given pocket money and brought to Singapore and Malaysia for holiday, all paid, in exchange for 20 kilo of luggage / goods taken back, and no personal shopping allowed.

If you see a group of say 10, each will have one or two identical modem, phone, or such stuff, to escape customs, or heck each may have identical brands of shirt, 5 piece to a guy ..






MMM, as for my supposed inaccuracies, I will let them rest .. if you separate those made in jest I am proved what I know, or have only told what I have seen/done, not imagining stuff .. anyway, I am not in a shooting match here ..

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 1:49 pm

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I don't think DFS here merits any attention at all

I have found the price of wine in DFS to be about the same at NTUC, So for me, DFS-Singapore is a complete non-event.

Now places like Dubai are another matter completely... 8-)


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Postby x9200 » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 3:01 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
JR8 wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:You do realize what you're proposing is illegal, right? Duty free is for *personal* consumption.


I have seen a few ads in other forums, which is why I thought its okay to sell. But you are right, I just looked up the Customs website. Its an offense to even give it away. I mean, you must make sure, you drink it all by yourself :lol:


So does this mean that if I have a party I can't serve friends with DF wine/liquor? Surely not. And if friends/relatives coming to stay buy a bottle on arrival (DFS Changi) as a gift for me, they're breaking the law :???:


p.s. might there be some nuance in 'personal consumption' vs 'personal use' the latter incl gifting but excluding buying to resell for a profit?


Good question. If serving it to your friends is illegal, I'm guessing it is enforced about as often as the "technically it isn't legal to come to Singapore and have work meetings on an SVP" legal interpretation.

I'm very sure it should be understood in a broader sense. Personal consumption also would be broad enough. It may refer to the social circle where the individuals will consume it. Personal = NOT commercial.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 21 Oct 2014 3:49 pm

JR8 wrote:
ecureilx wrote:btw, just for info, Duty Free Whiskey / Liquor is NOT CHEAP, for bars/pubs


I don't think DFS here merits any attention at all, apart from spirits, and since I don't drink them at home (nor does the family)... there's no need.

I have found the price of wine in DFS to be about the same at NTUC, and there's nothing else I'm likely to wish to buy at an airport. So for me, DFS-Singapore is a complete non-event.

Now places like Dubai are another matter completely... 8-)


I do pick up some stuff in DFS here, as DFS stocks some stuff not available in NTUC ;)


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