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Postby movingtospore » Tue, 30 Sep 2014 1:56 pm

Yeah Singapore you have a champion swimmer!

Boo Singaporeans you are too busy dissing the kid for being mixed race and not a "true Singaporean" to celebrate what he has achieved. Never mind that his Eurasian father's family has been here for generations.

Reading the interview with his dad in the bird-cage liner, I was sad that they would be treated this way by their own countrymen.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 30 Sep 2014 2:23 pm

And now, in true US fashion, he and a couple other snuck out of the compound and enjoyed some of the amber fluid of the evening and got caught by security on the way back in. Now it will be an investigation after the games are over and the public here will probably chastise him forever for besmirching Singapore good name (NOT). Frankly, I'd have probably done the same thing after all that training and giving all I had and winning a gold medal for a country who's sorry arse inhabitants don't even appreciate what they do for the country. Oh well, America will get a new citizen I think.

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Postby singapore eagle » Tue, 30 Sep 2014 2:55 pm

To be fair, most of the comments I saw last week were very positive. There were a few ignoramuses who assumed he was bought-in foreign talent, but they were quickly corrected. If you look on the loony sites, you'll see that even the posters there were mostly saying that they were proud of his medals and contrasting to the empty successes of the China-imported table tennis players.

The interesting thing now is what happens with his NS. As I understand it, he has been given a deferment to after the 2016 Rio Olympics. Will the government really force him out of competition and into the Army at this point? Will he willing put his career on hold if they do?

It's definitely one to watch.

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 30 Sep 2014 3:32 pm

there are some morons who don't have logic in arguing.

on a similiar logic are the bunch who is insisting that YMCA is an affiliate of PAP and that's the hidden plan of PAP to trigger unrest in Hong Lim Park etc. etc and the plan worked perfectly and the Oppies are in bad press..

and one expanded it to a campaign to boycott YMCA and YWCA (what did the women do ???)

YMCA affiliated to PAP ? since when ? don't ask

try explaining that, and you can easily get off with those who insist on 'true blue' singaporean etc

What makes a true blue Singaporean ?

One generation ? two generation ? or three or more ??

Give up ...

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Postby ScoobyDoes » Tue, 30 Sep 2014 4:16 pm

ecureilx wrote:YMCA affiliated to PAP ? since when ?



Since the Village People......you might need to think on that just a little bit longer.
'When Lewis Hamilton wins a race he has to thank Vodafone whereas in my day I used to chase the crumpet. I know which era I'd rather race in.'

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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 30 Sep 2014 4:52 pm

ScoobyDoes wrote:
ecureilx wrote:YMCA affiliated to PAP ? since when ?



Since the Village People......you might need to think on that just a little bit longer.


:twisted: :twisted:

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Postby earthfriendly » Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:23 am

ecureilx wrote:
What makes a true blue Singaporean ?

One generation ? two generation ? or three or more ??


Not directed at you but why so theoretical or theological? When it comes to us human, it is never about being a fixed criteria, definition or stereotype. Anyone who has set his mind and soul and working towards setting root in Singapore is a Singaporean.

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Postby movingtospore » Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:55 am

earthfriendly wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
What makes a true blue Singaporean ?

One generation ? two generation ? or three or more ??


Not directed at you but why so theoretical or theological? When it comes to us human, it is never about being a fixed criteria, definition or stereotype. Anyone who has set his mind and soul and working towards setting root in Singapore is a Singaporean.


That is not how many locals see it, I think. True singaporean = a certain ethnicity and everybody else comes second.

It's an unfortately byproduct of may years of social engineering I think.

Begs the question of what could have been if at some point they'd chosen to become more open to people regardless of race, exactly per your post - anyone who wants to make a home here.

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Postby earthfriendly » Fri, 03 Oct 2014 6:39 am

[quote]Of course, Singaporeans are used to seeing medal-winning athletes that are “imported”

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 03 Oct 2014 8:43 am

earthfriendly wrote: It is like indulging in get-rich-quick scheme instead of doing it the old fashion way .............via hard work.


That ignores the fact that 'get rick quick' schemes, almost by definition, never work.


earthfriendly wrote:Which begs the next question. Are medals really that important for the country :???: ?


Apparently so. "Being a country akin to the Switzerland of Asia, it is important for us to nurture the 1st world badges of success. Such things include international 'sporting prowess'. For this reason we bought some sporty China-men. That didn't work quite as planned, but now a little unexpectedly we have a genuine home-grown talent but some elements are crying that he's the 'wrong kind of SGn'".


I wonder if incentive compensation at the Ministry of Sport is tied to international success...


p.s. The nay-sayers might like to recall:
The ethnic Malays are the 'original' Singaporeans, the 'blue-bloods' if you have to have something to pin that term on.
The white man got here next.

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Postby PNGMK » Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:47 am



Although absolutely abysmal that his father (Mr Schooling) had to explain how a Schooling family ended up as Singaporean. There are in fact, a reasonable number of Singaporeans around who can trace their lineage back to British or European soldiers. I'm friends with at least 3 I can think of.

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Postby Primrose Hill » Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:50 am

Look at the UK, one citizenship, here's a sports medal. Come on :D

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Postby PNGMK » Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:54 am

JR8 wrote:
earthfriendly wrote: It is like indulging in get-rich-quick scheme instead of doing it the old fashion way .............via hard work.


That ignores the fact that 'get rick quick' schemes, almost by definition, never work.


earthfriendly wrote:Which begs the next question. Are medals really that important for the country :???: ?


Apparently so. "Being a country akin to the Switzerland of Asia, it is important for us to nurture the 1st world badges of success. Such things include international 'sporting prowess'. For this reason we bought some sporty China-men. That didn't work quite as planned, but now a little unexpectedly we have a genuine home-grown talent but some elements are crying that he's the 'wrong kind of SGn'".


I wonder if incentive compensation at the Ministry of Sport is tied to international success...


p.s. The nay-sayers might like to recall:
The ethnic Malays are the 'original' Singaporeans, the 'blue-bloods' if you have to have something to pin that term on.
The white man got here next.



Actually.... the Sumatrans (the Srivijaya kingdom - which I think came out of Sri Lanka) and then the Bugis (sea gypsies from modern day Southern Philipines) were probably the first people in Singapore... and neither are what I personally think of as modern Malay although the word Melayu comes from one of the old arabic names for Sumatra.

Either way... it's very hard for any individual ethnic group to claim to be a true Singaporean as Singapore, is and was, an island of transients.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:11 pm

PNGMK wrote:There are in fact, a reasonable number of Singaporeans around who can trace their lineage back to British or European soldiers. I'm friends with at least 3 I can think of.


I'm married to one. The race on her IC apparently used to be marked as 'Other' which leaves you at the bottom of any race-based scoring process here.


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