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PR Application My Review

Postby Adnan Amjad » Tue, 23 Sep 2014 1:02 pm

Hi guys, I might be wrong but from what i have been reading online and what people around me are saying, based on that im writing this observation.

1- Your income is not really that important, ppl with 15k/month gets rejected whereas ppl with 2k/month gets approved.
So income is not really one of the main requirements in assessing your PR application. Even though it shows how you can sustain in SG but really i read so much online that it makes me think that money is not what this country wants.

Your AGE is more important when it comes to your worth in SG, coz they want to see how long will you contribute to CPF.


2- Education is very important. Most applicants who gets PR have/had studied in SG or from a good uni with good grades. SG focus on education more than income from my understanding.

3- Family in Singapore is additional point. It shows that you are willing to commit longer to SG. Male kids below 16 yr, extra points.

4- Don't get all confused to marry a Singaporean will increase your chances. At most you will get LTVP. I know few cases married for 4 years,3 years and even 5 years yet can't get PR.

5- Your ethical race is important. This is something which no one can control as if you look at this from country point of view its fair enough. No country will want to be overly crowded with either of race. SG is focusing more on Chinese because in many ways they have similarities. Even though Singaporeans don't like to be compared to Chinese but they do have many things in common.
Each year X number of candidates will be approved and mostly will be Chinese which leaves a slight chance for other races.

6- The number of years you stay in Singapore. This is very gray area to many people. Some applicants approved within 1 yr whereas some rejected even after 8 years, why? Ok coz if you are on student pass for 10 years those 10 years translates to 0 years in application. A student pass is not a valid pass to translate to residency. lets say on S-Pass you stay for 3 years your appreciation will be more stronger as compare to student pass.
But its is not only staying in Singapore. Your activities in Singapore also matters like:
a- Local Bank accounts
b- Govn school eduction for kids
c- WDA programmes if on EP
d- Memberships with local Clubs
e- condo or HDB
f- Area you live in. (Even though Singapore is small but they do control state population)
g- Your job progression, how often you get promoted.
h- Any of the 2 Local Languages you have picked, MALAY or CHINESE

7- Your recommendation letter from the company. ICA don't want to know how well you are in your current job, they want to know whats your future in the current company. How well behave are you with local employees. What is your worth to the industry.

8- Your PR appreciation. Make sure its simple to understand, clean and systematic. The officer will review 1000+ application if he see yours is complicated he will just pass it off. Make it to the point, no need to tell them about what you used to do in your home country and what you achieved there, they don't care, tell them about what you have achieved here in SG.



So that's all what my observation is about PR application in SG. I can be wrong.

I got my PR approved within 5 months.

Age: 22
Income: 3.8k
Edu: Degree with HON
Single
Stay in SG for 5 yrs before applying
South Asian

My parents in SG on EP, rejected PR 3 times


Based on that, thats all i can come out with.

Thanks guys, and best of luck.

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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 23 Sep 2014 1:22 pm

I can't agree with all that but I appreciate the effort. You are right about age being a prime factor though.

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Re: PR Application My Review

Postby curiousgeorge » Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:03 am

Adnan Amjad wrote:
1- Your income is not really that important, ppl with 15k/month gets rejected whereas ppl with 2k/month gets approved.
I guess I am nearer 15k than 2k

Your AGE is more important when it comes to your worth in SG, coz they want to see how long will you contribute to CPF. I was 38 when I got my PR - so what age is relevant?


2- Education is very important. Most applicants who gets PR have/had studied in SG or from a good uni with good grades. SG focus on education more than income from my understanding. I got a 2:i from a UK Uni - does that count?

3- Family in Singapore is additional point. It shows that you are willing to commit longer to SG. Male kids below 16 yr, extra points. No kids.

4- Don't get all confused to marry a Singaporean will increase your chances. No plans to

5- Your ethical race is important....
Each year X number of candidates will be approved and mostly will be Chinese which leaves a slight chance for other races. I am caucasian

6- The number of years you stay in Singapore. This is very gray area to many people. Some applicants approved within 1 yr whereas some rejected even after 8 years, why? Ok coz if you are on student pass for 10 years those 10 years translates to 0 years in application. A student pass is not a valid pass to translate to residency. lets say on S-Pass you stay for 3 years your appreciation will be more stronger as compare to student pass.
But its is not only staying in Singapore. Your activities in Singapore also matters like:
a- Local Bank accounts Nope
b- Govn school eduction for kids Nope
c- WDA programmes if on EP Nope
d- Memberships with local Clubs Nope
e- condo or HDB Nope
f- Area you live in. (Even though Singapore is small but they do control state population) West Coast
g- Your job progression, how often you get promoted. Once in two years
h- Any of the 2 Local Languages you have picked, MALAY or CHINESE Neither
I was here for 2 yrs when i got my PR

7- Your recommendation letter from the company. ... Didnt have one

8- Your PR appreciation. Make sure its simple to understand, clean and systematic. T... Do you mean application? The form is pretty straight forwards, I just answered the questions on it.



So that's all what my observation is about PR application in SG. I can be wrong.

I got my PR approved within 5 months. (Mine was 6 weeks)

Age: 22 (38)
Income: 3.8k (at least twice that)
Edu: Degree with HON (same here)
Single (me too)
Stay in SG for 5 yrs before applying (I was here 20 months)
South Asian (English)


Yeah, if you look at my details we're chalk and cheese mostly. I don't fit half of those criteria you mentioned.

Granted, we live in a different era (since the White Paper).

But you also don't mention one thing I think is critical - your Occupation/Industry. If your skillset is something that is trained locally and has local people lining up to do, then you have little chance. If you have a skillset that is not available locally then you're in with a better chance.
And if you're Senior in a large company with a big salary, no worries ;)[/b]

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Re: PR Application My Review

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:58 am

curiousgeorge wrote:
Adnan Amjad wrote:
1- Your income is not really that important, ppl with 15k/month gets rejected whereas ppl with 2k/month gets approved.
I guess I am nearer 15k than 2k

Your AGE is more important when it comes to your worth in SG, coz they want to see how long will you contribute to CPF. I was 38 when I got my PR - so what age is relevant?

I was 47 when I got my PR. - Really, what age is relevant? 'fraid I can't agree either.


2- Education is very important. Most applicants who gets PR have/had studied in SG or from a good uni with good grades. SG focus on education more than income from my understanding. I got a 2:i from a UK Uni - does that count?

Or how about my High School Diploma? (only)

3- Family in Singapore is additional point. It shows that you are willing to commit longer to SG. Male kids below 16 yr, extra points. No kids.

4- Don't get all confused to marry a Singaporean will increase your chances. No plans to Married a Singaporean and have two kids!

5- Your ethical race is important....
Each year X number of candidates will be approved and mostly will be Chinese which leaves a slight chance for other races. I am caucasian As am I. but my wife is an Indian, does that help?

6- The number of years you stay in Singapore. This is very gray area to many people. Some applicants approved within 1 yr whereas some rejected even after 8 years, why? Ok coz if you are on student pass for 10 years those 10 years translates to 0 years in application. A student pass is not a valid pass to translate to residency. lets say on S-Pass you stay for 3 years your appreciation will be more stronger as compare to student pass.
But its is not only staying in Singapore. Your activities in Singapore also matters like:
a- Local Bank accounts Nope
b- Govn school eduction for kids Nope
c- WDA programmes if on EP Nope
d- Memberships with local Clubs Nope
e- condo or HDB Nope
f- Area you live in. (Even though Singapore is small but they do control state population) West Coast
g- Your job progression, how often you get promoted. Once in two years
h- Any of the 2 Local Languages you have picked, MALAY or CHINESE Neither Have hard enough problem with English
I was here for 2 yrs when i got my PR

7- Your recommendation letter from the company. ... Didnt have one

8- Your PR appreciation. Make sure its simple to understand, clean and systematic. T... Do you mean application? The form is pretty straight forwards, I just answered the questions on it.



So that's all what my observation is about PR application in SG. I can be wrong. Yep, you could be.

I got my PR approved within 5 months. (Mine was 6 weeks)

Age: 22 (38) (47)
Income: 3.8k (at least twice that) At least half that
Edu: Degree with HON (same here) High School
Single (me too) Married
Stay in SG for 5 yrs before applying (I was here 20 months) 3 years unless you count the other 8 years on SVP ;-)
South Asian (English) (Yank)


Yeah, if you look at my details we're chalk and cheese mostly. I don't fit half of those criteria you mentioned.

Granted, we live in a different era (since the White Paper).

But you also don't mention one thing I think is critical - your Occupation/Industry. If your skillset is something that is trained locally and has local people lining up to do, then you have little chance. If you have a skillset that is not available locally then you're in with a better chance.
And if you're Senior in a large company with a big salary, no worries ;)[/b]


As said, also different era from both of the above. But also experience which apparently made up for the lack of paper qualifications.

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Postby Wd40 » Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:47 am

I am pretty sure the ICA now use advance analytics like Big Data and analyse how past PR approvals have fared.

Someone who came to SG to do Univ as a bachelor is more likely to have a local girlfriend, marry her and set roots here than the stereotypical Indian couple with 1 kid or 2 who come here in their late 20s, early 30s.

Even I can bet that 8 out of 10 of the stereotypical Indian families will give up their PR before the 2nd renewal.

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Postby Adnan Amjad » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:07 am

curiousgeorge and sundaymorningstaple, when did you get your PR?

And as i mentioned, that i might be wrong, but from my experience and friends around me this is what i gathered.

Nun of us know the exact criteria for PR, but i have 3 friend approved below 25 with a bit similar profile since 2013-2014.

And a very high profile friends of my dad rejected. Including my dad.

So all i can see from this is that they are welcoming more younger people.

And of course the points you all made are valid.

At the end of the day i don't want to discourage people but just sharing my experience.

No hurt feelings :)

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 1:04 pm

The only person who had their feelings hurt were yours due to anecdotal evidence here that flew in the fact of you small sampling of people that you know. 30K get PR every year. You reckon the three that you know has to be the perfect sampling for that many recipients. Just havin' a poke. Don't take it to heart. I got my PR decades ago, but we have another here, Saint, who is much more recent (in the last 4 years I believe who has an academic profile similar to mine and and was actually given PR before arrival in Singapore. So, there is a heap of data missing from your sampling. :wink:

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Postby Adnan Amjad » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 2:51 pm

lol.. Not saying 100% of that 30K should be similar profile, but mostly will be younger age group.

Its my understanding after all.. so i can be wrong.

Just sharing anyways..

All application are reviewed on separate conditions after all.

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Postby PNGMK » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 2:54 pm

Adnan Amjad wrote:lol.. Not saying 100% of that 30K should be similar profile, but mostly will be younger age group.

Its my understanding after all.. so i can be wrong.

Just sharing anyways..

All application are reviewed on separate conditions after all.


The profile and data of successful PR applicants is not openly shared by ICA.

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Postby brian_singapore » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 3:18 pm

I think we should rename this thread 'battle of the random anecdotes'.

Or maybe 'battle of the self-selected anecdotes'.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 3:44 pm

^^This! :lol:

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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:48 pm

And here I came to this thread hoping for a Yelp, Tripadvisor, or HungryGoWhere style review of the PR Application process. :(

"Uncle at ICA so stingy, only give one staple for application packet. How can ah?"


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