when to apply PR?

[dajitesh]

Here is my details:
Age:42 yrs
Sal - 9k
Current Pass: EP P1
Have 2 masters - one from an indian institute and other from Top 20 US university
Spent 10 yrs in the US
Planning to move part of my US funds (~180k ) in singapore local bank
wife will on DP - LOC. looking out for a job
1 kid - daughter - will start going to International School

My question is when should i apply for PR so that it can be a valid case?
Thanks!

[sundaymorningstaple]

After you have been here for two years. Odds are still against you, but you will have a better chance (or if it's after the 2016 GE, maybe no chance at all depending on the outcome of the elections). Right now? Doubtful if you would stand a chance, truth be known.

[Wd40]

One of close family friends, Indian national, Senior manager in a large consulting firm. Salary easily in the range of 10-12K per month and in Singapore since Dec 2011, just had his PR rejected in 5 months. He has a male child and he had included him and his wife in the application. Aged 37.

So if there was a betting game I would bet OP 100% rejection, even if he had completed 2 years as of now.

2 years from now, my guess is its going to be even more tougher. So OP, forget your PR dreams.

[dajitesh]

Thanks @sundaymorningstaple
@Wd40

Thanks. Need some clarification - what is OP?
So you are saying there is 100% rejection -

One of close family friends, Indian national, Senior manager in a large consulting firm. Salary easily in the range of 10-12K per month and in Singapore since Dec 2011, just had his PR rejected in 5 months. He has a male child and he had included him and his wife in the application. Aged 37.

So if there was a betting game I would bet OP 100% rejection, even if he had completed 2 years as of now.

2 years from now, my guess is its going to be even more tougher. So OP, forget your PR dreams.

[Wd40]

OP = Original Poster = dajitesh

Yes, 100% rejection. Just search this forum for "Indian PR" and spend sometime reading the threads. You will quickly get the whole picture

[ecureilx]

Thanks @sundaymorningstaple
@Wd40

Thanks. Need some clarification - what is OP?
So you are saying there is 100% rejection -

One of close family friends, Indian national, Senior manager in a large consulting firm. Salary easily in the range of 10-12K per month and in Singapore since Dec 2011, just had his PR rejected in 5 months. He has a male child and he had included him and his wife in the application. Aged 37.

So if there was a betting game I would bet OP 100% rejection, even if he had completed 2 years as of now.

2 years from now, my guess is its going to be even more tougher. So OP, forget your PR dreams.

I may beg to differ from WD40

I would say 90%+ chance of rejection, as of now, unless WD40 works for ICA and has inside info or secretly works for ICA

apply, and see, you don't know the whole story of the guys who got rejected, their entire background, or other info that ICA may have factored against them, plus how ICA sees your profession vs those who got rejected

[sundaymorningstaple]

OP = Original Poster = dajitesh

Yes, 100% rejection. Just search this forum for "Indian PR" and spend sometime reading the threads. You will quickly get the whole picture

Wd40,

As usual, your bitterness at being rejected is showing through badly. It's far from 100%. In fact, in May we had two Indian Nationals who had successful PR approvals, one of which was another regular like yourself. towbsdropjar and Emergency123. That's this year and I didn't even search for anything before January this year.

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic102040.html

So, dajitesh,

While my gut reaction still holds, it isn't an absolute as there are exceptions for those ticking enough suitable boxes for ICA's algorythms. So apply if you feel you can take the stress of rejection, but remember, I still feel it's too soon.

sms

[ecureilx]

Wd40,

As usual, your bitterness at being rejected is showing through badly. It's far from 100%. In fact, in May we had two Indian Nationals who had successful PR approvals, one of which was another regular like yourself. towbsdropjar and Emergency123. That's this year and I didn't even search for anything before January this year.

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic102040.html

So, dajitesh,

While my gut reaction still holds, it isn't an absolute as there are exceptions for those ticking enough suitable boxes for ICA's algorythms. So apply if you feel you can take the stress of rejection, but remember, I still feel it's too soon.

sms

yes, and I may just lower the expectations a bit, a wait of a year before attempting may not be bad, or should elections kick in earlier, may go either way

[Akimbo]

Ever since I first started working in my current company, some of my colleagues have been asking me whether I'm a PR or not. I told them I'm not, and don't really want to become one.

But now after three years, going to my fourth, I'm starting to think that it might not be so bad to get a PR, since it seems like I will be in Singapore for a couple more years, despite my previous promise to my family that I'll stay at maximum 5 years, and then move on to another country. So how're my chances, regulars? (I'll use the same format as OP)

Male
26 yrs
Sal 3K
Current Pass: SPass
Has a Bachelor's Degree from a private Indonesian University
Has an internship experience of 6 months in Germany (2009)
70% of my money is here
Not married, no kids, parents are still working in Indonesia

And of course the coup de grace, which is the unspoken rule perhaps...
Nationality, Indonesian
Race, Malay

[Barnsley]

Ever since I first started working in my current company, some of my colleagues have been asking me whether I'm a PR or not. I told them I'm not, and don't really want to become one.

But now after three years, going to my fourth, I'm starting to think that it might not be so bad to get a PR, since it seems like I will be in Singapore for a couple more years, despite my previous promise to my family that I'll stay at maximum 5 years, and then move on to another country. So how're my chances, regulars? (I'll use the same format as OP)

Male
26 yrs
Sal 3K
Current Pass: SPass
Has a Bachelor's Degree from a private Indonesian University
Has an internship experience of 6 months in Germany (2009)
70% of my money is here
Not married, no kids, parents are still working in Indonesia

And of course the coup de grace, which is the unspoken rule perhaps...
Nationality, Indonesian
Race, Malay

I think you will need the wind in your favour ..... but if you dont buy a ticket you cant win the raffle

[sundaymorningstaple]

^^I concur.

[Wd40]

OP = Original Poster = dajitesh

Yes, 100% rejection. Just search this forum for "Indian PR" and spend sometime reading the threads. You will quickly get the whole picture

Wd40,

As usual, your bitterness at being rejected is showing through badly. It's far from 100%. In fact, in May we had two Indian Nationals who had successful PR approvals, one of which was another regular like yourself. towbsdropjar and Emergency123. That's this year and I didn't even search for anything before January this year.

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/ftopic102040.html

So, dajitesh,

While my gut reaction still holds, it isn't an absolute as there are exceptions for those ticking enough suitable boxes for ICA's algorythms. So apply if you feel you can take the stress of rejection, but remember, I still feel it's too soon.

sms

No it is not my bitterness. I am saying this based on OP's profile. High flying expat from the US, child going to International School(pretty sure its Indian, GIIS, NPS or DPS). This is exactly the kind of profile my friend is and also do you remember Mr Manoj K, the one who knows Majulah Singapura by heart, similar profile and rejected. I saw the link you posted, those guys one a PHD from NUS and another a doctor are rare cases. Also one of them had completed 5 yrs in SG so they are different.

OP if there one advice I can give you, please dont go and live in one of the popular Indian condos. I am not sure, but my guess is they use every bit of information they can get about a person, including address. If they see a "Bayshore" or "Melville Park" my guess is its going to have a negative impact.

Note, salary is no longer a big factor if you are from India, you see the guy earning 5k also got PR but another one earning 12k got rejected. The main factor for us is integration. Do everything to prove that you will integrate or your skills are really special.

Sending child to Indian Intl school is a pretty dead giveaway about where your loyalties lie.

[dajitesh]

Sending child to Indian Intl school is a pretty dead giveaway about where your loyalties lie.

It's not indian International School - she got an offer of admission from SAS - Singapore American School - actually she has been in advanced placement from the beginning -it would be easier for her to pick up studies
So you think putting her in local school would increase the loyalty showcase? Is ICA that picky? Well, not a good sign, I must stay.

[ecureilx]

Sending child to Indian Intl school is a pretty dead giveaway about where your loyalties lie.

It's not indian International School - she got an offer of admission from SAS - Singapore American School - actually she has been in advanced placement from the beginning -it would be easier for her to pick up studies
So you think putting her in local school would increase the loyalty showcase? Is ICA that picky? Well, not a good sign, I must stay.

I dont think where you daughter schools improves or reduces your chances

years ago, my friends used to say, or rather insist, volunteer work improves chances of PR.

many did, and a fair was rejected anyway

and when I applied, the officer looked at the stack (OK, just a few) references from places I been volunteering for more than 7 years, and only took one that was a special award.

others he said 'not needed, if needed we will ask you' and just asked me if i mentioned these volunteer work in the form and that's that. I got mine approved, while a few others earning more than me, and were into volunteer work in high profile places got rejected ... I was volunteering (and still continue) at a couple of places, not so high profile. heck, one of them, most Singaporeans may not even have heard of.

well, I dont know now, but things may have changed and maybe ICA sees where you stay (maybe as WD40 said, don't stay in Melville park or Bayshore ) ..

then again some proponents say staying in such places show you can afford a condo = financially strong

as Barnsley said, if you don't buy a ticket you can't win the raffle !!!


PS, WD40 assumed you were doing the same as what most sub continentals do, all things India or bust ...

[Wd40]

When I had applied for PR, the officer to whom I submitted my forms asked me to write down the name of the playgroup that my daughter is going, there is no section for school name, yet she told me to write it under her name so take your guess. Now I wish I had written PCF instead of Startots.

Regarding International or local school I don't know. But if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't sacrifice my daughter's education for the sake of PR, which in any case is not a guarantee.

Regarding condo, its okay to stay in a condo, so Condo = financially strong is true, just avoid the most popular Indian condos, not very difficult rite