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Mexikaner · Post by **Mexikaner** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 9:24 am

So this seems to be all over the news now...

http://news.sky.com/story/1332740/what- ... -the-union

what say you??

QRM · Post by **QRM** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 9:36 am

The British flag would look odd with out Scotland

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 9:46 am

It's hard to fathom.

Everything was entirely cool, not even any form of issue you ever heard discussed or argued for 500+ years, and it's only this last 1-2 that this whole matter has arisen (stoked by self-interested nationalists).

My own feeling is 'don't break what's proven to work well'... but hey-ho... let's see what happens...

p.s. @QRM, yeah it would be red+white, scary, lol...

singapore eagle · Post by **singapore eagle** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:01 am

It's actually quite scary to watch this play out.

There's always been a hard core of Scots that favour independence - maybe less than 1/3rd of the population. Somehow, during the last year, a huge number of others have been persuaded that they should vote Yes.

The reasons for doing so seem to be that they find David Cameron to be a toff, they didn't like Maggie, they don't like having a Tory UK government, they think the Westminster politicians are distant and condescending, they think the No campaign has been very negative, and so on. All fair points perhaps, but it's a huge leap to then say that Scotland should exit the UK and go it alone. After all:

- everyone has been pretty clear that it would take them at least 5 years to get back in the EU
- there's pretty much zero chance that the UK would enter into a currency union with Scotland
- businesses like Standard Life are saying that they will respond my moving jobs out of Scotland

You have to think that common sense will prevail next week and that the No vote will be a lot higher than the polls are suggesting. Voting Yes is a huge leap into the unknown.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:18 am

singapore eagle wrote: You have to think that common sense will prevail next week and that the No vote will be a lot higher than the polls are suggesting. Voting Yes is a huge leap into the unknown.

Meanwhile the FTSE is cacking itself, and it's (or could be

) a great time to scoop up some cheap stocks...

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:00 am

JR8 wrote:
singapore eagle wrote: You have to think that common sense will prevail next week and that the No vote will be a lot higher than the polls are suggesting. Voting Yes is a huge leap into the unknown.
Meanwhile the FTSE is cacking itself, and it's (or could be ) a great time to scoop up some cheap stocks...

Off to UK for a couple of weeks , the £ was sinking nicely until yesterdays news that the No vote was in the lead again

Extra devolution is surely the answer to this, however if the people living in Scotland feel the need to be independent then so be it.

What would happen to the SNP though should the vote be yes is interesting , what does a Single Topic party become once its achieved its goal?

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:13 am

Barnsley wrote: Off to UK for a couple of weeks , the £ was sinking nicely until yesterdays news that the No vote was in the lead again

Extra devolution is surely the answer to this, however if the people living in Scotland feel the need to be independent then so be it.

What would happen to the SNP though should the vote be yes is interesting , what does a Single Topic party become once its achieved its goal?

Same same re: UKIP.
Frankly I don't care if Scotland vote to leave.
The Scots tend to be whiney, permanently discontented, benefit scrounging user lazy scag-heads. Well, not every single one of them.

Their whole lifestyle is funded by 'London taxpayers', who they profess to utterly hate... done for almost solely sentimental reasons, a sense of a united kingdom.

They want to cut that off? It would be regrettable that it's come to this, but why not, it'll only leave me and my family and neighbours richer, and we'll have you whining jocks off our backs, and can laugh at your future shitty socialist attempts to stumble into being a functioning part of the EU.

Well, good luck, and buh-bye!

Hannieroo · Post by **Hannieroo** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:17 am

I grew up in Scotland and lived there as an adult. The people are hard working, kind and generous. And almost to a man feel they are not British by choice. It's their choice.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:30 am

'Aye, n let em senk thir ern shaeps ah?'

It's a win-win for England. Or considering the shit-storm they're walking into a triple-win, as it will be fun to watch this bizarre national experiment come to be in real life.

Sad but true. I hope the nationalists realise everything that they are voting for.

Barnsley · Post by **Barnsley** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:35 am

Hannieroo wrote:I grew up in Scotland and lived there as an adult. The people are hard working, kind and generous. And almost to a man feel they are not British by choice. It's their choice.

Is anyone born in England , British by choice?

What a ridiculous argument.

Who is stopping anyone from England/Scotland/N.Ireland/Wales from being
English/Scots/Irish/Welsh?

Still if it makes them feel better then good for them.

I am assuming folks born before the seperation if it comes will have a choice of Scottish or UK passports?

Could be a bit awkward needing a work permit to work in the rest of the UK with Scotland not being a member of the EU. Some hastily arranged Trade and Freedom of movement agreements will need to be made methinks.

JR8 · Post by **JR8** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:42 am

Barnsley wrote:I am assuming folks born before the seperation if it comes will have a choice of Scottish or UK passports?

Could be a bit awkward needing a work permit to work in the rest of the UK with Scotland not being a member of the EU. Some hastily arranged Trade and Freedom of movement agreements will need to be made methinks.

No no, they're voting to leave, they're voting for independence. So we must rescind their UK passports, as they're no longer in the UK, and surely they demand Scottish ones. No?

Oh dear, look, they're no longer members of the EU. Wow, well that going to take 10-20 years to fix eh.

Oh but maybe, perhaps they don't like that little bit, or, all the other little details beyond the shouting and kilt-waving.

They're going to get what's coming to them.

p.s. Site of future Scottish embassy in SG? Orchard Towers or Geylang... has to be somewhere with 'loords ah chep beer'...

zzm9980 · Post by **zzm9980** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 1:09 pm

Even if Scotland were to ditch the monarchy and become a republic, it would still remain a part of the broader Commonwealth, just as India and South Africa have done. Citizenship would be conferred widely. All citizens in Scotland would have the option of remaining British, or holding dual nationality, while a Scottish passport would be available to anyone who resides in Scotland, was born there or has Scottish lineage. This should limit the disruption to labour markets, allowing people to live and work in their current jurisdiction.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economis ... explains-4

Steve1960 · Post by **Steve1960** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 1:16 pm

There is a very funny episode of 'Yes Prime Minister' about Scottish independence but I can't find it easily on the Internet and the connection here in Taipei airport is lousy so I give up.

I am counting on JR8 finding the link for you to have a laugh

Steve1960 · Post by **Steve1960** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 1:21 pm

Series 1 episode 6 I believe Robbie Coltrane played his part brilliantly

singapore eagle · Post by **singapore eagle** » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 3:26 pm

JR8 wrote:It's a win-win for England

I'm afraid I don't see it that way. At least in the short term.

It will be chaos politically and economically across the UK if there is a Yes vote next week.

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