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Postby JR8 » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:16 am

nakatago wrote: watch out for your quoted texts; the forum format only allows word wrapping up to a certain width and us moderators can do nothing except trim down quotes.



I haven't noticed any wrapping or trimming. I have seen some entire requoted posts, but I consciously make an effort to edit down for clarity/bandwidth etc.

So from my side, I'm unaware of what the issue might be. HTH.

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Postby proxymoron » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:27 am

JR8 wrote: What 'body count'? And anyway India inflicted the caste system on itself. And it still has it. So as they say, 'Doctor, heal thyself'.


German Nazi killed German Jews.. so "Doctor, heal thyself" dont apply there? Or are we just talking only about Non-German jews here?

JR8 wrote: We know. We also know that Japan and Germany were collectively hell-bent on total world domination.
And the US and USSR who kept building nuclear weapon after nuclear weapon were just doing it for weather control?.

JR8 wrote: The atomic bombs were not dropped 'for fun' FFS, they were a last resort where nothing else was stopping the JPnese.

You lived in Japan, so you must be knowing how many bombs were dropped on Hiroshima prior to dropping atomic bomb. It was None. Because they wanted to know how damaging their "last resort" would be, so that more "last resort" can be dropped elsewhere.

JR8 wrote:My father was enlisted and en-route to Singapore during WW2 when the war ended

My sincere salutes, and points for you on that.

JR8 wrote: What are you doing about it, apart from still playing the blame-game?

This was answered in my first post (yesterday). It is happening albeit slowly. Many of these practices are banned by the law.

JR8 wrote:Call yourself a 'modern nation', your society (in this regard) resembles something more akin to the 1700s.

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^^^ This is picture is from the 'modern nation' of USA during 1950s , so lets not talk about 1700s, shall we?
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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:37 am

could one of the mods please move parts of this thread and move it to another thread? I think our thread direction is on a tangent :D
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Postby nakatago » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:48 am

rajagainstthemachine wrote:could one of the mods please move parts of this thread and move it to another thread? I think our thread direction is on a tangent :D


Good idea.

I split this off from the original thread; you may now resume comparing who's the bigger monster and who's the more persecuted ethnic group.

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:14 pm

Thank you :lol:
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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:31 pm

JR8 wrote: India inflicted the caste system on itself


The caste system existed since time immemorial in Indian History, it was largely a system based on one's occupation and something has existed in other civilizations and cultures as well.
Sadly since the 1700's, society took the divide and rule policy that the British practised and then applied it to the masses.
In the eighties, there was the mandal commission, another pandora's box of communal and caste based hate

JR8 wrote:2.And despite it being the 21st century, you still haven't resolved your issues of the caste system, not least the Dalits. Call yourself a 'modern nation', your society (in this regard) resembles something more akin to the 1700s. What are you doing about it, apart from still playing the blame-game?


It won't! the system is broken beyond repair, as long as we have politicians who rule the country based on caste based policies, India and Indians continue to suffer and that includes both upper and lower caste people.
nearly every Political party in India apart from the communist ones have a semi religious/caste-ist agenda.
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Postby proxymoron » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 1:41 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:The caste system existed since time immemorial in Indian History, it was largely a system based on one's occupation and something has existed in other civilizations and cultures as well.
Sadly since the 1700's, society took the divide and rule policy that the British practised and then applied it to the masses.
In the eighties, there was the mandal commission, another pandora's box of communal and caste based hate


Cant agree to that Raj. Below is apparently from Manusmrti one of the hindu doctrine which dates 3000 years back.

281. A low-caste man who tries to place himself on the same seat with a man of a high caste, shall be branded on his hip and be banished, or (the king) shall cause his buttock to be gashed.

It would be unfair blame these stuffs on British let alone Mandal Commission, when all these are written in 3000 year old indian religious texts. And trust me, above quote is one of the lenient of rules, Manusmrti is sickening.
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Postby ecureilx » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 7:23 pm

JR8 wrote: The atomic bombs were not dropped 'for fun' FFS, they were a last resort where nothing else was stopping the JPnese.

You lived in Japan, so you must be knowing how many bombs were dropped on Hiroshima prior to dropping atomic bomb. It was None. Because they wanted to know how damaging their "last resort" would be, so that more "last resort" can be dropped elsewhere.
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it was recorded that the Allied powers were not ready to sacrifice another million, if there was a need to put troops on Japan Mainland islands, after seeing how the Iwo Jima Campaign went

the atomic bomb was a shock and awe moment, to make the Japanese surrender

not a planned test, though conspiracy theorists will swear otherwise.

allied forces bombed other areas and there was no better place to shock the Japanese

that's what I know from reading history

if Japan had surrendered are you saying the A bomb would still have been dropped?

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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 7:43 pm

ecureilx wrote:it was recorded that the Allied powers were not ready to sacrifice another million, if there was a need to put troops on Japan Mainland islands, after seeing how the Iwo Jima Campaign went

the atomic bomb was a shock and awe moment, to make the Japanese surrender

not a planned test, though conspiracy theorists will swear otherwise.

allied forces bombed other areas and there was no better place to shock the Japanese

that's what I know from reading history

if Japan had surrendered are you saying the A bomb would still have been dropped?


It was a revenge for Pearl Harbour, just like Iraq and Afghanistan were revenge for 9/11, doesn't matter where they had WMD or not.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 7:49 pm

BS! Wd, you are talkin' outta yer arse again.

I bet you also think the holocaust did not take place, the US never made it to the moon and JFK was shot by aliens from some other galaxy.

Quick everybody get out your tinfoil pyramid caps! :roll:

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Postby nakatago » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 8:08 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Quick everybody get out your tinfoil pyramid caps! :roll:


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sundaymorningstaple wrote: the US never made it to the moon and JFK was shot by aliens from some other galaxy.


Nonsense.

The US is hiding aliens on the moon and it was a damned mutant who did JFK in.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 8:22 pm

That photo looks a lot like Addadude without his specs on.! :lol:

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Postby JR8 » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 8:26 pm

Well much of that is going nowhere... ...

proxymoron wrote:
JR8 wrote:Call yourself a 'modern nation', your society (in this regard) resembles something more akin to the 1700s.

-SNIP-
^^^ This is picture is from the 'modern nation' of USA during 1950s , so lets not talk about 1700s, shall we?


What has the 'USA' got to do with me beyond ...er nothing? You might think the EU is part of the US, or that the EU had slavery or segregation, but I can assure you that 'it ain't so' :)

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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 8:49 pm

EU did have slavery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

I still remember my history teacher teaching us about the famous quote "If they don't have bread, let them eat cake"

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Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 08 Sep 2014 9:12 pm

Wd40 wrote:It was a revenge for Pearl Harbour, just like Iraq and Afghanistan were revenge for 9/11, doesn't matter where they had WMD or not.


You clearly don't know much about history and your conclusions are baloney.

There has been plenty of debate since the end of WW II over whether it was actually necessary to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima. One side says that the US was winning the ground war in Asia. The other side said that casualties were too high and that the Japanese could hang on for years fighting island by island. That side won and the bombs were dropped.

Many Japanese cities had already been destroyed by fire bombing, similar to the way that Dresden was bombed and destroyed, so the question here wasn't whether to bomb a civilian population (that was already happening), the question was whether to use the new device.

Hiroshima was bombed on Aug 6, 1945 and the Japanese were given an opportunity to surrender. They refused. Nagasaki was bombed 3 days later on Aug 9. It still took until Aug 15 for the Japanese to surrender, in part because of Russia's declaration of war.

As for Afghanistan, your history again fails you. It was Osama bin Laden who founded al-Queda and fought against the Russians in Afghanistan. He was assisted with American arms and money... the USA funded the mujaheddin against the Russians.

There was a complex relationship between bin Laden, the Taliban and al-Queda, but there is little question that the bi Laden masterminded the entire 9-11 act of terror. (We''l leave out for the moment the question as to why the Saudis got away scot free when most of the terrorists were shown to be of Saudi origin). The presence of 100,000 US troops and equipment was well on the way to completely wiping out the Taliban and al-Queda when...

The asshats/traitors/neocons Cheney, Wolfowitz, Doanlad Rumsfeld, John Bolton, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer who concocted this crazy ass idea of spreading democracy in the middle east through the use of military force ruined our opportunity to deal with al-Queda and the Taliban once and for all by drawing down forces in Afghanistan to attack Iraq, using lies and false information about WMD as the excuse.

The rest is history... but it is damn clear that neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were about revenge.


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