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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 2:53 pm

Wd40 wrote:Spanish names.
Spanish accent when they speak English(I like the way they pronouce January as "Janwary" :) )
European food habits; read pork knuckles. Imagine if not for the Spanish, they might all be muslims halal and no touching pork.

Portuguese also had a similar transformation over Goa. Read: carnival just like in Brazil, pork, alcohol and partying.

Somehow the British couldnt/didnt do the same transformation.


Spanish names came from the conversion etc, and so did part of modern Tagalog words. but that's not destruction of culture.

I would safely say 90% or more of their original culture is intact.

Muslims? did you really say Filipinos didn't eat pork before the spanish came in ?

what next? they were living in caves and hunting before Magellan? (who was coincidentally killed by a Filipino Chieftain)

and ever heard of Tuba? or Tapuy?

mm, I think you should just stick to stuff you are well versed, like, India???

so, India didn't get polluted by Brits? interesting to hear that.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 11 Sep 2014 3:57 pm

proxymoron wrote:
JR8 wrote:You're Indian FFS, what is your problem with Jews? :???:


:lol: :lol:
I am a German football fan

It really shows you have no slightest clue what you are talking about. For you the whole Holocaust and the WWII is just something that happened once on another planet. For most Europeans even after all these years it is still pretty much the real thing. My parents lived through the war under German occupation and although we are not Jews and of my nation close to 6milion people were killed (~20% of the country population) I can understand that the Holocaust was pretty special. Nothing even remotely amusing in it.

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Postby proxymoron » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 9:41 am

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The irony is you aren't German, and even if you are a fan of their football team, if you attended a match there they'd very likely scalp you alive...

That you find anti-Semitism amusing speaks for itself.


Fan of their football team. And being an Indian there is a chance of getting bad treatment in pretty much any country I go. But I should add, I have German friends, and they are nice.

I never said I find anti-semitism amusing. [-X
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Postby proxymoron » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:20 am

proxymoron wrote:
JR8 wrote:You're Indian FFS, what is your problem with Jews? :???:

:lol: :lol:
I am a German football fan

^^ Joking lah.

x9200 wrote:It really shows you have no slightest clue what you are talking about. For you the whole Holocaust and the WWII is just something that happened once on another planet. For most Europeans even after all these years it is still pretty much the real thing. My parents lived through the war under German occupation and although we are not Jews and of my nation close to 6milion people were killed (~20% of the country population) I can understand that the Holocaust was pretty special. Nothing even remotely amusing in it.


I can understand the your emotions towards it, But there is a Non-European perspective of the WWII and the world after that. My grand parents (and few generations before them) lived through foreign occupation on their own home land whole of their life. And WWII indirectly liberated many countries from foreign occupation including my own. So WWII is just as real for us also. I would consider it as one of the many mass killing happened during or before the WWII era, significance of which is kept upheld to justify creation and existence of a Jewish nation. As we are looking from different sides of the world, lets agree to disagree.
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Postby JR8 » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:43 am

proxymoron wrote:And WWII indirectly liberated many countries from foreign occupation including my own. So WWII is just as real for us also. I would consider it as one of the many mass killing happened during or before the WWII era, significance of which is kept upheld to justify creation and existence of a Jewish nation. As we are looking from different sides of the world, lets agree to disagree.


...and look how India has flourished since those times, after throwing off the hideous yoke of colonialism, into a 1st world country on a par with Switzerland. Like Singapore has.

Er, spot this mistake?

The Jews already had a nation, it was called Palestine. It was from there that the diaspora departed to other lands. It was to there that most of what was left of the Jewry of central Europe returned after WW2. A large part of Palestine got 'rebranded' as Israel some years later.

God forbid you come out with any of this in front of your 'German friends' as they will literally be speechless. You could be arrested for saying such things if spoken in Germany. You apparently have no idea, not only how offensive, but how taboo your extremist notions are.


p.s. what was your other 'classic' suggestion? That the Allies demand for reparations post-WW1 was the direct cause of the Holocaust that came later. Stuff of genius that.

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Postby proxymoron » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 1:37 pm

JR8 wrote:That the Allies demand for reparations post-WW1 was the direct cause of the Holocaust that came later. Stuff of genius that.

WWII and Holocaust – two different things, if you take a closer look you can notice that even the spelling is different. I was referring to WWII.

JR8 wrote:...and look how India has flourished since those times, after throwing off the hideous yoke of colonialism, into a 1st world country on a par with Switzerland. Like Singapore has.
Er, spot this mistake? .


Talk about priorities. Singapore build a sound economy and India build nuclear bomb. Have a guess which country will the colonial masters will venture first if they want to build colonies again.
PS : Do you have any clue “what world”
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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 3:06 pm

[quote="proxymoron"]
Talk about priorities. Singapore build a sound economy and India build nuclear bomb. Have a guess which country will the colonial masters will venture first if they want to build colonies again.
PS : Do you have any clue “what world”

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 3:23 pm

[quote="ecureilx"][quote="proxymoron"]
Talk about priorities. Singapore build a sound economy and India build nuclear bomb. Have a guess which country will the colonial masters will venture first if they want to build colonies again.
PS : Do you have any clue “what world”
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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 3:40 pm

I think I should tread in this thread wearing a flame retardant suit :-|
seriously guys everyone needs to chill out a bit.
Instead I should stir the pot a bit more and caste light on what happened when our govt tried to "uplift" the lower castes.
So somewhere in the eighties, some bright bulb by the name of Mandal ( not to be confused with the father of Genetics) decided that 50% of all jobs/positions in the country should be devoted to the lower castes.
Ever since that historic verdict, it made sense to stay as a lower caste because of the benefits it bought to them.
A dalit who was fed up of Hinduism converted to Christianity suddenly found that it made sense to be a dalit hindu again because of the sudden benefits.
Some decided not to convert, but yet demanded inclusion in this new scheme.
as a result we now have upper castes and lower caste christians,lower caste muslims and lower caste hindus all fighting for this 50% of jobs/positions in govt/education
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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 4:18 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:ians are following what they learned from our colonists - Divide and Rule.
India needs the atomic bomb as a deterrent.Look at our neighbours China and Pakistan both of which have invaded India in the past.
I think despite the odds of poor sanitation and decadent infrastructure, there are so many shining examples of accomplishments, I don't want to name them, they are too long to list :wink:


well, I will also agree that there are other shining examples of India's achievement ..

PS, If you read the complete history of China's war with India, it was ONLY to claim what they felt, told, and insisted was part of China / Tibet.

They didn't want an inch more (or so I believe) and in the process of claiming what they decided they were going to get back, (and US indirectly encouraging China to go ahead, by giving out clear signals that India is fair game, and US will not step in .. ) they just got a bit more that they wished for, and additional push for them to go ahead came, thanks to Nehru's Hindi-Chini-Bhai-Bhai (I hope I got that right). The message was clear all along that China will take what they insisted was theirs, the powers-be decided they are too nice to fight for it ..

Pakistan of course was a different story, and that's for history lessons today ..

Then again, Pakistan may have been fixed up pretty early, if not for wavering politicians in the center ..

about the reservation policy, my fore fathers were originally Forward Caste (FC), and they are one of the few FCs left, even our 'sister/brother' chapters (for the want of use of the word caste) have quietly become Backward Castes, and now it is a fight between Backward Castes, Most Backward Castes and Scheduled Tribes, I believe.

So much so, the Forward castes have been left with no seats at all, or only a small miniscule of the seats.

Am I right on that ??

No, we weren't Brahmins ..

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 12 Sep 2014 4:57 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:Instead I should stir the pot a bit more and caste light on what happened when our govt tried to "uplift" the lower castes.
So somewhere in the eighties, some bright bulb by the name of Mandal ( not to be confused with the father of Genetics) decided that 50% of all jobs/positions in the country should be devoted to the lower castes.

Admittedly I know close to nothing about India but just can not imagine how this idea supposed to work and help anybody? It was thought as a first step to abolish the caste system?


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