This is what happens when a dependent male gives up PR

[sundaymorningstaple]

Father is a card carrying PAP member Singapore Citizen, Mother is a PR for 25 years. Father was advised by me 9 years ago not to give up his PR even though he was in the International School but he wanted him to go to the UK for university. Therefore he give up his son's PR. Son went to the UK to University and got his BSc & Masters in Civil Engrg. Wants to return to Singapore but cannot get LTVP as he's over 21 and because he gave up his PR he's been rejected for an EP here as well.

I've been telling people here for years (as well as the father of this young man) what is/will happen. There is now visible proof of the pudding. Read it and weep.

In this case, he went to a local primary school for around two years before going into the international school. Of course his particulars have already been recorded with the gahmen as well as the father's nationality. Once that happens, the circle is complete and it's only a matter of time before the various ministries connect and bang. It's all over 'cept the cryin'.

[PNGMK]

Surely the kid just needs to resolve (i.e. serve) the NS issue?

[sundaymorningstaple]

This was broached about two weeks ago by one of the ministers who said, to the effect of, There has been no dependent who had and subsequently gave PR to avoid NS who has subsequently been approve for PR and very few for EPs (e.g., a neurosurgeon perhaps). Yes, MAYBE they will approve him later if he does NS but at the same time, he's a new graduate so with a degree in a very common hard science, the odds of getting a position will also be greatly hampered either way he turns. If he does NS, the most experience he will have is the little bit gained in the UK since graduation last year and maybe the NS Combat Engineers if he gets in there. Otherwise, he's still not got anything than cannot be found here holding a Pink NRIC. And, there is no guarantees that even if he does NS, that they will, all else being equal, give him an EP. The gahment is vindictive and is just like the old man. Always make an example out of others.

[Wd40]

Not surprised. I think anybody with a sane mind, who gives up their child's PR also know that they are giving up any chance of them coming back to Singapore for employment. Atleast most people whom I talk and have that those plans in their minds, know this very well. If that father, thought otherwise, he is muppet. Unless he wanted his son to settledown abroad and didnt expect his son to come back for employment to Singapore.

[nakatago]

Not surprised. I think anybody with a sane mind, who gives up their child's PR also know that they are giving up any chance of them coming back to Singapore for employment.

It's not about sanity; it's about how selfish or shortsighted one can be.

[JR8]

Father is a card carrying PAP member Singapore Citizen, Mother is a PR for 25 years. Father was advised by me 9 years ago not to give up his PR even though he was in the International School but he wanted him to go to the UK for university. Therefore he give up his son's PR.

My bold.
Why would you do that?

[sundaymorningstaple]

In his case, he was a High Street Banker for a Japanese investment bank(?) for 22 years in London until 1995 when he returned to Singapore (he still owns rental properties there, like yourself). He took his Bachelors and Masters in Finance in the UK so I guess he just wanted his kids to follow suit. The Daughter read law in the UK as well but she never gave up her PR so she's back here doing her whatever it's called before she become a fully practicing attorney here in Singapore with one of the "top" legal firms here. The father, being a card carrying PAP member, thought he could pull a fast one using his connections, but I told him 8 years ago that it was going to bite his son in the arse eventually. I hate having to tell the father "I told you so" but I did exactly that.

[Wd40]

Father is a card carrying PAP member Singapore Citizen, Mother is a PR for 25 years. Father was advised by me 9 years ago not to give up his PR even though he was in the International School but he wanted him to go to the UK for university. Therefore he give up his son's PR.

My bold.
Why would you do that?

To avoid NS

[sundaymorningstaple]

Wd40, I think, considering the image I posted in the initial post, showing the reason as being an NS issue and my subsequent post being about a minister's statement regarding the same, JR8 would have surmised that. I think his question was just being tongue-in-cheek.

[ecureilx]

Father is a card carrying PAP member Singapore Citizen, Mother is a PR for 25 years. Father was advised by me 9 years ago not to give up his PR even though he was in the International School but he wanted him to go to the UK for university. Therefore he give up his son's PR.

My bold.
Why would you do that?

To avoid NS

not so, I believe, it may be the other way around, SMS may clarify.

to send any kid overseas in lieu of NS, when nearing NS age there are a lot of things to satisfy, including bond, and approval etc and failure of any will hurt the parents, and restrictions galore.

heard of Exit Permit for NS men?

easiest, as in this case, is/was to give up PR, than follow the process, I guess!!

[rajagainstthemachine]

I have never ever been able to understand why parents want to skip this NS like its some humiliation or a concentration camp, to me it seems there is more headache working out a path to avoid NS than to serve it is to serve NS.

[nakatago]

I have never ever been able to understand why parents want to skip this NS like its some humiliation or a concentration camp, to me it seems there is more headache working out a path to avoid NS than to serve it is to serve NS.

I can understand how some parents don't want to do NS.

What I don't understand is parents know that is required and it's difficult to get out of the obligation and they still try to pull a fast one.

[Wd40]

I have never ever been able to understand why parents want to skip this NS like its some humiliation or a concentration camp, to me it seems there is more headache working out a path to avoid NS than to serve it is to serve NS.

When you become a parent of a baby boy, you will probably be in a better position to comment. I mean these things are easy to say when you are not affected. Its when you go through it is when you really understand. I can see why SMS is so passionate about talking about stuff like this. His kids have gone through NS.

Its like stock markets. Its easy to comment about buy, sell etc when you dont hold the position. Its when you hold a position thats when your real behaviour comes out.

[rajagainstthemachine]

When you become a parent of a baby boy, you will probably be in a better position to comment. I mean these things are easy to say when you are not affected. Its when you go through it is when you really understand. I can see why SMS is so passionate about talking about stuff like this. His kids have gone through NS.

Its like stock markets. Its easy to comment about buy, sell etc when you dont hold the position. Its when you hold a position thats when your real behaviour comes out.

you are funny..

[JR8]

^ Damn profound hor


p.s. @ WD40