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Changing Jobs on EP

Postby whoisit » Mon, 25 Aug 2014 2:24 pm

Hi Folks.. I was initially transferred here on an EP from Melbourne four years ago on a local contract working for US MNC. I have been with this company ever since. I was offered a role recently which I have accepted and since signed the offer letter. The new company is applying for my EP and related DPs.

Just wanted to clarify on the sequence of events in relation to the whole change of job thingy whilst on EP. I will greatly appreciate your valuable input.

1. New employer applies for EP.
2. Once the In Principle approval is received I can go ahead and give notice to my current employer
3. Serve the notice period
4. Join the new employer and subsequently get the necessary visas issued.

Did I get this right? Please advise if I missed anything. Thanks.

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby the lynx » Mon, 25 Aug 2014 2:51 pm

whoisit wrote:Hi Folks.. I was initially transferred here on an EP from Melbourne four years ago on a local contract working for US MNC. I have been with this company ever since. I was offered a role recently which I have accepted and since signed the offer letter. The new company is applying for my EP and related DPs.

Just wanted to clarify on the sequence of events in relation to the whole change of job thingy whilst on EP. I will greatly appreciate your valuable input.

1. New employer applies for EP.

Yes

2. Once the In Principle approval is received I can go ahead and give notice to my current employer

Yes

3. Serve the notice period

Yes

4. Join the new employer and subsequently get the necessary visas issued.

Yes

Did I get this right? Please advise if I missed anything. Thanks.


Yes this is the right order. All the best!

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Postby whoisit » Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:42 am

Many thanks Lynx. Fingers crossed !

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby GSM8 » Fri, 26 Dec 2014 8:47 pm

I may have to go through a similar process soon, viz. changing jobs while on an EP. Potential new position won't be subject to FCF, but current position is not PEP eligible so fresh EP will need to be taken. Much appreciate any updates that OP or others who've gone through the process, might be able to share. Thanks.

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby Wd40 » Fri, 26 Dec 2014 9:11 pm

It's been a long time since I read that word; viz. :)

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby Brah » Sat, 27 Dec 2014 8:16 pm

I've never heard it but have vs. and vis-a-vis.

What I'm more curious about is the non-PEP part, I never heard that some jobs would not be eligible if one was a PEP holder, sounds odd.
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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby Mi Amigo » Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:50 pm

I suspect that when GSM8 stated "current position is not PEP eligible," s/he meant that the current salary level is too low to apply for PEP.

Viz. is one of those Latin expressions, or rather an abbreviation thereof, meaning 'namely'. Nice to see it being used here.
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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby GSM8 » Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:53 pm

Now you both had me thinking for moment, but it turns out that "viz." is in usage and wiki describes it as "that is to say" :)

By not eligible for PEP I was referring to the current position I am in being below the salary limit, therefore taking the new position needs a new in-principle approval and EP.

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby JR8 » Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:52 am

Wd40 wrote:It's been a long time since I read that word; viz. :)


Probably only remains in colonial back-waters these days. It's from Latin and means 'namely'.

'I visited the fish-market and was aghast at Neptune's bounty that was proffered up for all, viz. the still burbling bream, razor clams resplendent in disgorging themselves like Bugis lady-boys of yore, and enough still fighting carp to lend lead to the pencil for even the most somnolent dotage'.
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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby Barnsley » Sun, 28 Dec 2014 9:59 am

The only viz that matters ......

http://viz.co.uk/
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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby Wd40 » Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:15 am

Yeah, it still gets used a lot in India, but in official notifications/legal kind of language

For example:

Taurus Mutual Fund has launched Taurus MIP Advantage, an open-ended income scheme with multi-level diversification, exposure through 3 major asset classes, viz. Debt, Equity and Gold (through Gold ETFs).


http://www.moneycontrol.com/news-topic/viz/

This link has lots of viz.s in it :)

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby GSM8 » Wed, 13 May 2015 5:33 pm

Preparing for an upcoming change of employer under EP, I had a few logistical type questions:

1. Is one allowed to cancel old company EP on their last day of work there, and commence new company's EP on the same day (same trip to MOM actually)? Would such an action be construed as being employed by 2 companies on the same day, and therefore disallowed under EP rules? HR person from current company says it is allowed, and while new company doesn't know if it is allowed, they are open to doing it if it is allowed. Would anyone on the forum know?
2. In the event that it is not allowed, does it mean that one has to make 2 trips to MOM, first trip to return old EP card and get 30-day SVP, and second one to get new EP card? Actually, what I meant to ask is whether one needs to go down to MOM on the last day of work to turn in old EP card and apply for SVP or do we get a few days window period to do that?

I have travel till the last 2 days with old company and will likely be traveling the first week with the new company, hence getting into the weeds on the details. Appreciate any information.

Separate topic, if one starts work at the new company the day after stopping work at the old company, is health coverage considered continuous assuming each company provides coverage strictly for the period of employment? (just taking precautions because coverage gap can possibly lead to pre-existing condition disputes later, not that I actually have one that I know of)

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby the lynx » Thu, 14 May 2015 9:38 am

GSM8 wrote:Preparing for an upcoming change of employer under EP, I had a few logistical type questions:

1. Is one allowed to cancel old company EP on their last day of work there, and commence new company's EP on the same day (same trip to MOM actually)? Would such an action be construed as being employed by 2 companies on the same day, and therefore disallowed under EP rules? HR person from current company says it is allowed, and while new company doesn't know if it is allowed, they are open to doing it if it is allowed. Would anyone on the forum know?
2. In the event that it is not allowed, does it mean that one has to make 2 trips to MOM, first trip to return old EP card and get 30-day SVP, and second one to get new EP card? Actually, what I meant to ask is whether one needs to go down to MOM on the last day of work to turn in old EP card and apply for SVP or do we get a few days window period to do that?

I have travel till the last 2 days with old company and will likely be traveling the first week with the new company, hence getting into the weeds on the details. Appreciate any information.

Separate topic, if one starts work at the new company the day after stopping work at the old company, is health coverage considered continuous assuming each company provides coverage strictly for the period of employment? (just taking precautions because coverage gap can possibly lead to pre-existing condition disputes later, not that I actually have one that I know of)


1. You can only have one EP but you can have many IPAs at one period of time. Having said that, your scenario #1 is allowed. While you're still holding your EP of the current company, the new company can proceed to apply for IPA. You can have IPA approved for that one while still working with your current company. When your current company terminates your EP on your last day, you will be issued a default 30-day SVP. I can imagine you being able to have it terminated on Monday (last day). Then head to MOM with your IPA for the new company on Tuesday to finish the formality. You can already commence work on Tuesday itself or Wednesday after that as IPA normally (unless explicitly stated otherwise) allows the holder to commence work while waiting for that shiny green card (which takes three working days to complete after your MOM formalities).

2. Health insurance sponsored by companies is not continuous even if it is by the same insurance company. Plus, it normally requires the employee to work with the company for 6 months or so before being eligible for the benefits. So if you have a gap between your two employments, and you're paranoid, better take up something of your own to help with your peace of mind. But it won't work that way if you take up own health insurance just to cover that gap - it only makes sense if it is something you already owned aside from the one sponsored by company.

3. Terminated EP card is retained by the employer for their own procedures with MOM, and the terminated employee is then issued with that 30-day SVP in return by employer. Employee doesn't have to surrender terminated EP card to MOM himself unless MOM requires him to do so.

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby GSM8 » Thu, 14 May 2015 10:18 am

the lynx wrote:
1. You can only have one EP but you can have many IPAs at one period of time. Having said that, your scenario #1 is allowed. While you're still holding your EP of the current company, the new company can proceed to apply for IPA. You can have IPA approved for that one while still working with your current company. When your current company terminates your EP on your last day, you will be issued a default 30-day SVP. I can imagine you being able to have it terminated on Monday (last day). Then head to MOM with your IPA for the new company on Tuesday to finish the formality. You can already commence work on Tuesday itself or Wednesday after that as IPA normally (unless explicitly stated otherwise) allows the holder to commence work while waiting for that shiny green card (which takes three working days to complete after your MOM formalities).

3. Terminated EP card is retained by the employer for their own procedures with MOM, and the terminated employee is then issued with that 30-day SVP in return by employer. Employee doesn't have to surrender terminated EP card to MOM himself unless MOM requires him to do so.

Thanks, Lynx. This clears my primary doubt. Since I already have the new in-principle approval, on the last day my current employer cancels my EP, retains the card, and shifts my status to a default 30-days SVP (they do it via EPOL without any explicit action required from my side). Within these 30 days my new employer informs MOM of my exact start date beforehand (new requirement since March 2015 I am told) and I go to MOM to apply for the new EP card either before or shortly after joining.

My remaining question then is can the new employer say my start date is the same as the cancellation date of old EP (intuitively I'd say no, but this is what my current HR is saying is allowed.) The likely scenario is, I am traveling wearing with my old employers hat till a Wednesday, so they prefer my last day to be no earlier than Friday. I'll likely have travel representing the new employer from the next Monday, so the new employer would like me to join on Friday or latest Saturday, but earlier than Monday. And that was the reason for my having posted the question. Any further thoughts much appreciated.

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Re: Changing Jobs on EP

Postby Wd40 » Thu, 14 May 2015 10:25 am

Yes the end date of your old company can be the same as the start date of your new company. This happened in my case, but that was in 2011.


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