Back that up... It's bullshit. If anything, the rich are greedy bastards... one need only look at the continuous attempts on the part of the rich to lower taxes, eliminate unions, eliminate minimum wage, cut safety nets, gut any kind of a public support project... all under the bankrupt theory that if you'll simply give them more money, all will be better.beppi wrote:Making the rich richer helps everybody to earn more - on average.
...because they're greedy, and seeking to live beyond their means? You know, condo, Cartier, Carrera 911, and holidaying in the Caribbean each year?Strong Eagle wrote:... actual earning power of the middle class has decreased significantly over the last 40 years... middle income debt is way up... and there is a good reason for this.
Look at all the jobs created that relate to just Bill Gates. All the people around the world who are selling MS products, or servicing their products, or writing programmes for their products etc etc. An idea born at Harvard, and all that's later spawned from it, is probably responsible for now feeding/housing a statistically material proportion of the population of Bangalore/etc., in far better health and comfort than they would have if MS had never existed.Brah wrote:Is there a verifiable example of where trickle-down has actually worked?
Haha, I got you there!Strong Eagle wrote:Back that up... It's bullshit. If anything, the rich are greedy bastards... one need only look at the continuous attempts on the part of the rich to lower taxes, eliminate unions, eliminate minimum wage, cut safety nets, gut any kind of a public support project... all under the bankrupt theory that if you'll simply give them more money, all will be better.beppi wrote:Making the rich richer helps everybody to earn more - on average.
Again, it's bullshit... the statistics prove it up. Making the rich richer simply means they have more of the wealth... the statistics don't lie... income and wealth inequality are growing... actual earning power of the middle class has decreased significantly over the last 40 years... middle income debt is way up... and there is a good reason for this.
Ya got me... my literalist wife must be rubbing off on me.beppi wrote:Haha, I got you there!Strong Eagle wrote:Back that up... It's bullshit. If anything, the rich are greedy bastards... one need only look at the continuous attempts on the part of the rich to lower taxes, eliminate unions, eliminate minimum wage, cut safety nets, gut any kind of a public support project... all under the bankrupt theory that if you'll simply give them more money, all will be better.beppi wrote:Making the rich richer helps everybody to earn more - on average.
Again, it's bullshit... the statistics prove it up. Making the rich richer simply means they have more of the wealth... the statistics don't lie... income and wealth inequality are growing... actual earning power of the middle class has decreased significantly over the last 40 years... middle income debt is way up... and there is a good reason for this.
Here's my explanation for the mathematically less inclined:
If of a thousand people, 999 earn $1 and one guy earns $1000, the average income is slightly below $2 per head.
If now we help the rich guy to double his earnings to $2000 (and that of the others stays still), the average per head income has increased by 50% and is now at almost $3 per head. That is surely great news for the 999 people!
(Didn't we talk about a sarcasm tag before?)
UK has the ISA and TESSA. I was in a employee share scheme at work where 10% of my pre-tax salary went into company stock.PNGMK wrote:Singapore is the only country I've been in that offers a tax incentive to save (i.e. SRS). While Australia offers a lower tax on super annuation contributions it's still a bit rich to tax savings at 15% as they go in.
What on earth does that mean?stuckmojo wrote: The accumulation of wealth at the top has now gotten to a stage where there is no opportunity for those at the bottom of the pyramid, as they start off with a disadvantage too big to bridge.
I think the main difference at least between 401k, Roth IRA and Singapore SRS is that the Singapore SRS is unlimited. The plans in the US both have caps on how much you can contribute per year to enjoy the tax incentive.JR8 wrote:UK has the ISA and TESSA. I was in a employee share scheme at work where 10% of my pre-tax salary went into company stock.PNGMK wrote:Singapore is the only country I've been in that offers a tax incentive to save (i.e. SRS). While Australia offers a lower tax on super annuation contributions it's still a bit rich to tax savings at 15% as they go in.
The US has Roth IRA's, and 401k's might also come into that sphere.
Canada has TFSA's.
The above is not exhaustive, but just some of the one's I've witnessed/heard of.
I think the common theme is that these are states that are incentivising citizens to create the own pension pot. Here the CPF serves that purpose but is not discretionary. Whether CPF has any kind of tax incentivisation I don't know, maybe the employer's contribution is in lieu of such a thing.
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