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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 9:18 pm

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rajagainstthemachine wrote:fark! I eat a dosa in tekka market for a dolla sixty mate and a cuppa tea for ninety.


The M-I-L buys her beef from there but I've never been there nor had of a reason to visit, but it sounds promising. Are they stuffed dosa, 'masala dosa', like down south India way? I'd certainly be interested in hunting down a good one of those, as would the wife... and that is a good example of something that need not be expensive to be done very well.


p.s. lol SMS, and there was me thinking it was you that was the Sunday morning staple! :o :lol:


pps. Starting to think this is one of topics that loses it's purpose as it is perpetually misunderstood. I'm not saying $$$ = good, and $ is bad. Or SGn cuisine is bad, or that I don't like it ...none of these things :???:



come and meet me in Little India one of these days and I'll show you this place, its a hawker dude, makes the best damm dosa's I've ever eaten, and yes masala dosas are on offer too and they keep a litre of different chutneys on the table, and you can help yourself to any amount.
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Postby JR8 » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 9:25 pm

Ok, you're done/filled, on that, and I'll hold you to that. It would we wonderful to have the real thing again :)

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 9:31 pm

JR8 wrote:Ok, you're done/filled, on that, and I'll hold you to that. It would we wonderful to have the real thing again :)


you'll have to ignore the general cleanliness around the tekka center hawker area.
there's also a place that makes the best known goat bone marrow curry and mutton soup served with bread.
apart from that there's a bangladesh chap who serves a really good palak paneer and two naan's for 4$
all this washed down with a glass of chendol and nice cigarette after that ( damm why did i give up smoking? )
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Postby zzm9980 » Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:42 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:How can you possibly beat fare like this?

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That's a monthly or twice-monthly staple for my wife and I.

Trivia: The Chinese aunties there mostly all speak a bit of Vietnamese. It's a really popular spot for the VN visitors.

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Postby Usmom » Wed, 01 Oct 2014 6:46 pm

I'm getting the feeling our agent is not advocating for us. We are requesting the landlord only require 3 times a year ac cleaning and that we only have to dry clean curtains if they need it and that we get the rules from the property so we know what is allowed. Our agent seems to constantly tell us that the contract is standard and impossible to change. Our agent just seems to want to get things done, but not advocating for us at all or at least that's the feeling I am getting. In fact, I feel they are working for the landlord. We said we will walk away from this condo if landlord is inflexible about everything. We are not asking for the moon, we are paying near the ask price, which I feel agent could have negotiated better also instead of just offering the limit of our budget. Not even sure now that landlord had to ask for these things, our agent probably just wrote in what they thought the landlord wanted and would be happy with. Yes I know that the company pays, but something just doesn't feel right. Am I delusional to think that there are many places available and that there are landlords out there that would be more flexible? or should I just give up and accept all this?
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Postby Usmom » Wed, 01 Oct 2014 6:56 pm

Wanted to add something positive, we went to get fingerprinted for visas and it was easy and fast. They are efficient and friendly and it wasn't crowded. Clark Quay area is nice and even the mrt station there was not crowded. Yeah!
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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 01 Oct 2014 7:20 pm

Usmom wrote:I'm getting the feeling our agent is not advocating for us. We are requesting the landlord only require 3 times a year ac cleaning and that we only have to dry clean curtains if they need it and that we get the rules from the property so we know what is allowed. Our agent seems to constantly tell us that the contract is standard and impossible to change. Our agent just seems to want to get things done, but not advocating for us at all or at least that's the feeling I am getting. In fact, I feel they are working for the landlord. We said we will walk away from this condo if landlord is inflexible about everything. We are not asking for the moon, we are paying near the ask price, which I feel agent could have negotiated better also instead of just offering the limit of our budget. Not even sure now that landlord had to ask for these things, our agent probably just wrote in what they thought the landlord wanted and would be happy with. Yes I know that the company pays, but something just doesn't feel right. Am I delusional to think that there are many places available and that there are landlords out there that would be more flexible? or should I just give up and accept all this?


Alter the T/A yourself (or have your employers legal/HR do it). Send it back via agent and make it clear no changes will be accepted.

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Postby singapore eagle » Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:33 pm

Usmom wrote:Wanted to add something positive, we went to get fingerprinted for visas and it was easy and fast. They are efficient and friendly and it wasn't crowded.


Usmom wrote:Our agent seems to constantly tell us that the contract is standard and impossible to change...our agent probably just wrote in what they thought the landlord wanted and would be happy with...


This is actually a pretty good introduction to the way that Singapore works.

Think of the people here as workers on an assembly line. They're great at mastering a very narrow set of tasks/skills, but woe betide you if you try to ask them to do something new or different, or if you want them to show a bit of innovation or imagination.

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Thu, 02 Oct 2014 5:20 am

Usmom wrote:I'm getting the feeling our agent is not advocating for us. We are requesting the landlord only require 3 times a year ac cleaning and that we only have to dry clean curtains if they need it and that we get the rules from the property so we know what is allowed. Our agent seems to constantly tell us that the contract is standard and impossible to change. Our agent just seems to want to get things done, but not advocating for us at all or at least that's the feeling I am getting. In fact, I feel they are working for the landlord. We said we will walk away from this condo if landlord is inflexible about everything. We are not asking for the moon, we are paying near the ask price, which I feel agent could have negotiated better also instead of just offering the limit of our budget. Not even sure now that landlord had to ask for these things, our agent probably just wrote in what they thought the landlord wanted and would be happy with. Yes I know that the company pays, but something just doesn't feel right. Am I delusional to think that there are many places available and that there are landlords out there that would be more flexible? or should I just give

up and accept all this?


I'm trying to change houses here, each time I find a prospective place its a different criteria of frustration, my latest situation is that there are two agents, one representing landlord and one representing myself, why does one need two agents for solving 1 rental mystery?
As for your case, you can tell the agent you are prepared to look elsewhere if he isn't going to be in your side, be a bit firm and dilly dally for a day ( they hate that ) and tell him that the property market is down now and there are heaps of other places, the only question is do you have time on your hands to see more places?
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 02 Oct 2014 9:40 am

I suspect part of it comes down to your expectations of your agent; it can be best here if you really have none at all.

Why a/c cleaning 3* a year? I’m imagining the LL requires it be done under a contract 4*/pa? The trouble is from what I’ve seen you can’t get a 3*/pa contract. This is the company we use http://www.coolserve.com.sg/htmdocs/the ... tract.aspx and right now we’re happy with them. They haven’t (yet!) tried any of the usual money-spinning tricks such companies are rather renowned for here. Observe their various contracts, and consider whether sweating over 3* vs 4* is worth a fight.

What is the requirement re: curtain cleaning, I’ve not heard of that before? This kind of thing really p’s me off, because generally speaking in tenancy law you take a property and are bound to hand it back at the end of the term, in the same condition but with allowance made for ‘fair wear and tear’. That would seem about as simple as it could be wouldn’t it? But here, they require air-con servicing during the tenancy, even if you don’t use it. I really wonder about the ‘legality’ of that. We also had a condo here where the TA required us to turn the oven on for at least an hour a month, ‘to stop the heating elements from getting wet (and breaking down)’. I asked the agent how, in more technical terms, that happened – she didn’t know. You could ask your agent, what if you don’t like the LLs curtains, and you wish to hang your own, so do you still have to have the LLs (stored away in a cupboard) periodically dry cleaned? It’s perverse. And if the agent is going to ‘helpfully’ hook you up with an air-con engineer and dry-cleaners you can join the dots on that one.

‘The rules from the property’. You mean the condo rules? If they’re not providing them it’s because they don’t have a copy and can’t be bothered to get one. But yes, this is certainly something you should expect to receive. Particularly as most TA’s incorporate a clause requiring you to abide by all said rules!

Apart from the core legal stuff (term, notice periods etc) the TA is negotiable, but IME agents are loath to do so. The agent we use is my wife’s cousin, and despite that when I said I wanted 3-4 items amended or removed from the draft TA she just sort of laughed nervously at me!? My strong impression is that an agent does not expect a prospective tenant to seek to amend any terms proposed. It’s probably an Asian thing where the landlord is the ‘big fish’, and you the little fish just shut up and do as you’re told. Those amendments I wanted did get done but she’s no longer on speaking terms with me (this also refers back to the issue of ‘why service air-con when you don’t use it’, to which her attitude was a) the TA says you have to [a very SGn response!] b) Just do it will you!)

Your agent is motivated by the easiest way to get your commission, which includes agreeing to all the LLs terms how ever ridiculous they are. Threatening to walk away should jolt the agent, one would have hoped. If not perhaps you need another agent. Oh and it can pay to not reveal your max budget at the outset as then you can be sure the agent will only show you stuff priced at 120+% of that figure, that you ‘might be able to negotiate inside your budget'.

Landlord flexibility. There are plenty of landlords here who lack what in the West would be considered basic common-sense pragmatism. It’s a different continent, things just work differently. You won’t change that, but need to learn to occasionally navigate it. On top of this matters can become matters of pride and ego. You’ll hear stories (and see the evidence of) landlords who’ll sit on an empty unit for months and months, instead of accept an offer of 10% off the asking rent. Consider the thinking that makes logic of that and you know what you’re up against. Suddenly every change you’re asking for on your TA, in local terms, is unnecessarily very personal, a veritable battle of will, pride and ego!



p.s. RATM 'dilly dally for a day'. Lol.... I haven't heard that expression for a long while! :)

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Postby Usmom » Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:34 am

If we could change agents we would, but they are assigned by the company. I guess that was my problem, I expected them to work with us, not against us. Oh well, live and learn, trying not to have any expectations from now on. :o If we end up walking away from this property, we will definitely be more direct on what we will offer and what we negotiate for upfront next time. Basically dictating and not asking agent to do what they think is in our best interest.
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Postby JR8 » Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:43 am

Usmom wrote:If we could change agents we would, but they are assigned by the company.


Well, you've just identified the problem right there. You're a captive audience, so why should they do anything beyond the absolute minimum, in order to make the max out of you?

I think your HR dept should be told what this agent is doing... and you should ascertain if there is any way to get another agent. Monopoly suppliers rarely perform/provide value.


.... an alt is, since you've already ID'd a condo of interest is to read ads (like on this www) and see if you can get somewhere on your own, i.e. without an agent on your side. Others here might have some experience of going this route...


... I remember one time being told we had to have an agent, 'to negotiate the tenancy agreement!' which is ironic, since most landlords here won't negotiate the TA full stop.

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Postby Usmom » Thu, 09 Oct 2014 4:25 pm

How long is the TA supposed to take? The landlords had their attorney make changes to the draft and have returned it to our agent. Now nearly 2 weeks later, still not sure what is going on. We have to ask our agent what is going on and only get responses like, will update you. Well the draft the Landlord sent through their attorney looked ok to us. They agreed to pay all ac quarterly maintenance and reworded that items like curtains and floors be returned to them they way the hand it over to us, expect for normal wear and tear. They also agreed to purchase and install the exact type of washer and dryer we requested. So what is the hold up? I'm getting a bad feeling that our agent is still upset that we asked for out of the norm stuff and they are playing games delaying to prove that it just can't be that simple. The landlord seems reasonable while our agent is being annoying. Also, a new listing has just posted that is bigger and for the same price. Maybe agents games/delays will lead us to an even better choice, not sure we should take the risk though since we are getting most of what was requested. Not sure what to do. Finding housing in sg is becoming dreadful.
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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Thu, 09 Oct 2014 5:08 pm

Our Situation: found a place we really liked


1. agent quotes 2k, we accept

2. quotes 2.1k next day, (states landlord wants 2.1k) we accept

3. agent says he represents us, but there will be agent fees, we accept

4. we state our condition that we need a months notice cause of our current housing situation, agent oohs and aaahs, says place will be taken by other people and can't wait, suggests we make a deposit immediately. we decline

5. 1 week later, agent states house is now gone.

6. a day after that house is now available at 2.1k we decline, state that we haven't worked out termination date yet with our landlord, plus we are traveling and wont be back for another two weeks

7. 2 weeks later he enquired if we are back and still interested in the house, we reply yes now ( we had a termination date in hand )

8. agent now quotes 2.2k , we reject

9. replies next day the landlord now says 2.1k we reject

Sent him a message to stop fooling around, reminded him that he represents us and not the landlord and he should be working in our favour not the landlord.
its a wild goose chase and I want to cook that agents goose.
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