Thanks. This is the document I was writing immediately before coming on here with my questions.bgd wrote:Some reading above which should explain everything.
I follow you. I hadn't really got around to thinking about my grandchildren. I'm confused enough my kids! You seem to be confirming that the UK government will see the girls as British, and the Singapore government as Singaporean, yet the Singapore government doesn't allow dual citizenship. Can anyone help me get my head around this apparent contradiction?ScoobyDoes wrote:SE, my son was born in HK but qualifies for British citizenship based on my own so he can be Duel-Citizen something, you know already, is not allowed here.
The problem MAY come later, because this right, as far as I understand, lasts only one generation. If/when your kids have their own, the only way they then qualify for UK citizenship is to be born in the UK. As far as I understand if their kids are born overseas they will not qualify and instead would qualify possibly for where they are born.
This issue, though, is increasing the volume of kids that don't qualify for any passport as some countries do not offer citizenship to just 'any' kid born within its borders.
Either the rules will have to change or it's something you'll have to warn your kids about later.
Simple, each country has its own rules. You will have to choose either British citizenship + another country which allows dual citizenship, or just Singapore alone.singapore eagle wrote:Thanks. This is the document I was writing immediately before coming on here with my questions.bgd wrote:Some reading above which should explain everything.
I follow you. I hadn't really got around to thinking about my grandchildren. I'm confused enough my kids! You seem to be confirming that the UK government will see the girls as British, and the Singapore government as Singaporean, yet the Singapore government doesn't allow dual citizenship. Can anyone help me get my head around this apparent contradiction?ScoobyDoes wrote:SE, my son was born in HK but qualifies for British citizenship based on my own so he can be Duel-Citizen something, you know already, is not allowed here.
The problem MAY come later, because this right, as far as I understand, lasts only one generation. If/when your kids have their own, the only way they then qualify for UK citizenship is to be born in the UK. As far as I understand if their kids are born overseas they will not qualify and instead would qualify possibly for where they are born.
This issue, though, is increasing the volume of kids that don't qualify for any passport as some countries do not offer citizenship to just 'any' kid born within its borders.
Either the rules will have to change or it's something you'll have to warn your kids about later.
The way I understand if it's same as Australia, your children might be "qualified" for British citizenship, but this does not happen until you fill in the form, pay the fees and get the citizenship certificate, which it doesn't sound like you have done. So they do not have dual citizenship from birth, only if you consciously take the action to apply for the British citizenship and it gets approved. As mentioned in the link -singapore eagle wrote:I follow you. I hadn't really got around to thinking about my grandchildren. I'm confused enough my kids! You seem to be confirming that the UK government will see the girls as British, and the Singapore government as Singaporean, yet the Singapore government doesn't allow dual citizenship. Can anyone help me get my head around this apparent contradiction?
Use this form to apply to register a child under 18 as a British citizen if they qualify through birth or adoption.
I don't think this is quite right. The guidance notes states:Beeroclock wrote:So they do not have dual citizenship from birth, only if you consciously take the action to apply for the British citizenship and it gets approved.
Is that what really happens, though? Does the Singapore government enforce this?the lynx wrote:If your child has British + Singapore from birth, s/he has until age of 21 to ultimately decide if s/he wants to renounce either one. If you have a son, it has a different implication.
ah okay, I stand corrected, it's a bit different to the Australian system. As I understood my kids were stateless at birth, and needed the action by us to get them Australian citizenship, and after that an Australian passport.singapore eagle wrote:I don't think this is quite right. The guidance notes states:Beeroclock wrote:So they do not have dual citizenship from birth, only if you consciously take the action to apply for the British citizenship and it gets approved.
"Children who have automatically acquired British citizenship do not need to be registered. There are two ways a child can automatically be a British citizen without needing to register. ...
2 British citizenship by descent
British citizenship may descend to one generation born abroad. So a child born abroad to a parent who is British otherwise than by descent will automatically be British by descent."
So it seems that my children are automatically British citizens.
(1)(b) and (1)(c) are pretty clear - in particular, don't get a British passport after the age of 18 or you risk being deprived of your Singaporean citizenship and being stuck as a Brit forever. However, I can imagine that (1)(a) is open to all sort of interpretation - I couldn't begin to tell you what rights I have exercised that are only available to a British citizen.Deprivation of citizenship on exercise of rights of foreign nationals, etc.
135.—
(1) The Government may, by order, deprive a citizen of Singapore of his citizenship if the Government is satisfied that —
(a) he has, while of or over the age of 18 years, at any time after 6th April 1960 voluntarily claimed and exercised any rights (other than any rights in connection with the use of a passport) available to him under the law of any country outside Singapore being rights accorded exclusively to the citizens or nationals of that country;
(b) he has, while of or over the age of 18 years, at any time after 6th April 1960 applied to the authorities of a place outside Singapore for the issue or renewal of a passport or used a passport issued by such authorities as a travel document; or
(c) he is of or over the age of 18 years and has, whether before or after attaining the age of 18 years, been ordinarily resident outside Singapore for a continuous period of 10 years (including any period of residence outside Singapore before 2nd January 1986) and has not at any time —
(i) during that period or thereafter entered Singapore by virtue of a certificate of status or travel document issued by the competent authorities of Singapore; or
(ii) during that period been in the service of the Government or of an international organisation of which Singapore is a member or of such other body or organisation as the President may, by notification in the Gazette, designate.
(2) For the purposes of clause (1)(a), the exercise of a vote in any political election in a place outside Singapore shall be deemed to be the voluntary claim and exercise of a right available under the law of that place.
(3) Where the Government has made an order under this Article depriving a citizen of Singapore of his citizenship, he shall cease to be a citizen with effect from the date of the order.
Until the age of 21, this doesn't matter but after 21, you will have suppressed a material fact if a Singapore passport is applied for and you check this box in the negative.I / The child have/has have not/has not acquired the citizenship of another country.
Strong Eagle wrote:
Therefore, as you have stated, your children are automatically British Citizens but for your grandchildren to become British Citizens, it would be necessary for your children to live in the UK for three years at some point before having kids. Send them to uni there?
Thanks Strong Eagle for a very helpful post.Strong Eagle wrote:A couple of comments. Regardless of what it says about foreign passports, the application for a Singapore passport requires you to swear that
Until the age of 21, this doesn't matter but after 21, you will have suppressed a material fact if a Singapore passport is applied for and you check this box in the negative.I / The child have/has have not/has not acquired the citizenship of another country.
At least with US law, it is explicitly written as "Acquired" at birth; so the acquiring happens by virtue of being born, something you 'did'.singapore eagle wrote: I would take 'acquire' to mean that you have done something to get a foreign citizenship (e.g. as set out in Article 134 of the Singapore Constitution) that you did not previously have. I'm not sure you have 'acquired' British citizenship if you were simply born British.
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