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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 'Shot Down In Ukraine...

Postby x9200 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:31 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07 ... 95450.html

A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet is reported to have been shot down near the Russia - Ukraine border.

Initial reports from Interfax news agency say the Boeing 777 was flying at an altitude of 32,000ft.

Sources say 280 passengers and 15 crew members were onboard the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

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Postby nanana » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:45 am

not another tragedy! definitely not a good year for MH.

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 1:24 am

Wow... I just saw this somewhere else and initially thought it was a really poor-taste Onion/spoof article.

Terrible that it is not. There is going to be hell to pay between Ukraine/Russia/Separatists and the rest of the world...

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Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 1:27 am

Ukraine is also saying that Russia military shot down one of their fighter jets just the day before...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/world ... r-jet.html

If Russia accidentally shot down this airliner... Oh boy.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 7:02 am

Dammit! There went ZZM's & Strong Eagle's Gathering tickets, AGAIN! :(

Cuteness aside, this really sucks for M'sia. :cry:

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 7:04 am

Within last few days two Ukrainian planes were shot down in this part of Ukraine (remaining under control of the pro-Russian separatists). The 1st plane were shot down by the separatist (they admitted it) and the 2nd one (the fighter jet) by the Russians.

The access to the Malaysian plane wreckage is already blocked by the separatists and they announced their intention to pass the remains to the Russians (for investigation).

It's not hard to imagine where will this lead to and I am surprised no seeing yet some flying propaganda claiming the Ukrainians shot it down to push the blame to the Russians.

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Postby PNGMK » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 7:23 am

This is terrible. Innocent passengers and crew.

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Postby Barnsley » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 8:30 am

nanana wrote:not another tragedy! definitely not a good year for MH.


Its hardly their fault if someone decides to shoot down one of their planes is it?

This is the main route, so assuming the quickest, between Western Europe and South East Asia.

A route change to avoid this area is probably being worked on now.
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Postby ecureilx » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 8:47 am

Barnsley wrote:
nanana wrote:not another tragedy! definitely not a good year for MH.


Its hardly their fault if someone decides to shoot down one of their planes is it?

This is the main route, so assuming the quickest, between Western Europe and South East Asia.

A route change to avoid this area is probably being worked on now.


but a huge PR damage, as i see in some Facebook posts, a lot of arm chair experts have blamed MH for flying over war zones, bad pilots, saving money and risking lives etc etc.

and a lot are insisting no missile can reach 30,000 feet ... go figure ....

the U2 was downed by a missile in 70s, and the U2 was flying higher ....

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Postby stuckmojo » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:02 am

Sad to hear about the Malaysia plane. I'm also bracing myself for people over-reacting and blaming the airline considering any plane could have been shot down by flying through a conflict zone. The responsibility lies with those who did not close out an area where ground-to-air missile batteries are operating constantly. Planes did not fly over the Balkans in the early 90's and there was a good reason for that.

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Postby the lynx » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:03 am

1. It wasn't over warzone. The aircraft was flying outside the border of Ukraine. That route was an open route so you cannot say that the pilots "deliberately flout safety procedures to save fuel."

2. It was hit by ground-to-air Buk missile, a military weapon.

3. Whether it was an accident or intentional, someone will pay for it.

This was really unacceptable. With most of the casualties from The Netherlands, EU will be force the hand of UN to do something. With many nations added into the list of casualties from Ukraine-Russia crisis, will this lead to another WW?

This is really effed up.

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:27 am

ecureilx wrote:and a lot are insisting no missile can reach 30,000 feet ... go figure


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

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Basic missile system specifications
    Target acquisition range (by TAR 9S18M1, 9S18M1-1)
        range: 140 –
        altitude: 60 meters – 25 kilometers (197 feet - 15.5 miles)
    Firing groups in one division: up to 6 (with one command post)
    Firing groups operating in a sector
        90° in azimuth, 0–7° and 7–14° in elevation
        45° in azimuth, 14–52° in elevation
    Radar mast lifting height (for TAR 9S36): 21 meters
    Reloading of 4 missiles by TEL from itself: around 15 minutes
    Combat readiness time: no more than 5 minutes
    Kill probability (by one missile): 90–95%
    Target engagement zone
        aircraft
            altitude: 15 meters – 25 kilometers (50 feet - 15.5 miles)
            range: 3–42 kilometers (1.9-12.4 miles)
        tactical ballistic missiles
            altitude: 2.0–16 kilometers (1.2-9.9 miles)
            range: 3–20 kilometers (1.9-12.4 miles)
        sea targets: up to 25 kilometers (15.5 miles)
        land targets: up to 15 kilometers (9.3 miles)

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Postby GSM8 » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:28 am

Very tragic incident..

5 civilian planes were shot down in the last 40 years by sovereign governments and rebels. Note the last on this list
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world ... index.html

Wikepedia has a longer list from the past 100 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ai ... _incidents

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Postby Barnsley » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:34 am

ecureilx wrote:but a huge PR damage, as i see in some Facebook posts, a lot of arm chair experts have blamed MH for flying over war zones, bad pilots, saving money and risking lives etc etc.

and a lot are insisting no missile can reach 30,000 feet ... go figure ....

the U2 was downed by a missile in 70s, and the U2 was flying higher ....


Reading a BBC update from through the night Singapore Airlines flight was next one through on the same flight path ..... Followed by Emirates , Ehtihad and Kazakh Airways ....

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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Fri, 18 Jul 2014 9:34 am

very tragic news indeed, feel really sorry for the innocent people on that plane who were killed for no fault of theirs.
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