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relocating to Singapore - I got an offer.

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shuld i go or shuld i stay?

go.
12
71%
stay.
5
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Total votes: 17

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Re: relocating to Singapore - I got an offer.

Postby CAO » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 1:06 am

maneo wrote:Were you at Fudan?
It sounds like you already have a bit of an adventurer's streak so, yes, by all means, see more of Asia.
With all the job stuff seeming to be in order it sounds like you can embark on another adventure. Good luck.


I was indeed, studied at Fudan Uni as part of an exchange during 2007-2008. Really enjoyed SH - suited me perfectly at the time; dirt cheap back then and plenty of excitement for a 23 year old who doesn't care about sharing an apartment with 2 friends. I assumed you used to live in SH as well?

I will go with Asia-light i/o semi-European from now on... :-)

Thank you for the input

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Postby CAO » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 1:12 am

bgd wrote:I voted go.

The offer sounds good financially and career wise. You have an income generating property in Sweden which you can return to so a bit of a no brainer in my book.

This is an opportunity to work in Asia and do it comfortably. Spend anytime on this board and you will see plenty of people trying to get to Sg and having a tough time doing it.

You must be need a break from those Swedish girls and Asia will be a break. :wink:


Hey

I appreciate that it might be offensive to some people that I'm even considering turning it down - as it may be the next persons dream offer. Not meant in that way at all, just trying to get some first hand input from people who've been in my seat.

Thank you for the input regarding the offer i've got, exactly what I was looking for - a simple reality check.

Not sure a break is needed from the Swedish girls, but fair enough! I still have Little Sweden aka Thailand/Phuket around the corner though :-)

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Postby CAO » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 1:20 am

the lynx wrote:
CAO wrote:@the lynx: Thanks for heads up regarding this. Do you reckon utilities will run as high as S$1000 a month for a fairly modern 1BR? I'm sure I will be more generous on the a/c than locals are. Still - for S$5k I'm assuming I will be able to get a nice enough apartment and not have to compromise too much with my standard of living compared to Sweden?

Additional info: company pays for all costs involving the relocation. That is: 1mth temporary Service Apartment while looking for a permanent place, they also pay for the shipping of my furniture, as well as storage in Sweden for the stuff I leave behind. Also they pay my plane ticket for the ride over.


Note that not all furniture is suitable. condominiums in Singapore are very small, unless you pay more than SGD9k for a spacious ones. And different bed sizes apply here too. Unless your company is not paying for new furniture, I'd suggest not to bring them over because you may find some of them won't fit in some layout. And if you're bringing in European-sized beds, you need to bring the sheets, duvets as well because it will be hard for you to find the right size in Singapore. Electrical appliances too. Different voltage. May as well buy all of them new and spare the headache, since your company is paying for your storage back in Sweden anyway.

If you have a cable channel subscription, land line, electricity, water etc, probably it will hit around SGD500. I'm not sure. It all depends on your usage. But a SGD5000 plus monthly rental will give you comfortable sized 1BR in good location.


Got it - will in case look through my stuff and see what would better be left behind. Is furniture or electrical appliances generally cheap or expensive in Singapore? I feel that i've come to the stage in my life when I (even though i'm from Sweden) don't want to pick up my entire home in flat packages from IKEA...

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Postby CAO » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 1:26 am

Mi Amigo wrote:Despite the fact that I hate posts which begin with a poll (just a personal dislike, not a criticism of the OP), I voted 'go'. This was on the basis of the following:

1. If you don't go, you'll always wonder what would have happened.

2. The (intra- and extra-curricular) experiences will be good for you, even if it is not all a bed of roses.

3. The package is reasonable and the risks are relatively low.

4. It doesn't have to be (and probably won't be) forever, and it'll look good on your CV.

Good luck.


Thank you for the input, and the next time I post here i'll put the poll in the end. Good points all of them. My plan is indeed to make it a 3-year mission as my mom would be devastated if her grand children grew up 10kkm away, but who knows what will happen.

Anyhow, I agree - it could hardly ever be bad to have this on a resumé whatever job I'll be looking for after.

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Postby CAO » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 1:34 am

JR8 wrote:Great that you can sublet and profit. Do be aware though that it can really sting to let your home and return later as every single scratch can cut like a knife. Save a little money to smarten it up before you move back in. But consider this a hell of a chance to overpay any mortgage and make a once in a lifetime hole or K-O in it, the overall impact of which will play out *for the rest of your life*. [i.e. saving is one thing, but slashing spending is often super tax efficient and simple! etc]. Maybe you will end up leaving here with some good savings, buy a new place back home, and keep the existing place at home as a rental investment (like part of a pension?)... there are LOT’S of opportunities to consider down the road...

Internal transfer = great! You know who you’re dealing with, and have the security of knowing that they’re going to take care of you. Lucky you.

Your bank being the tenant is good. There are some really devious (or just lazy and greedy) landlords here, but I think they’re less likely to mess about with an EU bank than some new kid on the block.

I was given rent allowance, and like you it was ‘use or lose’. No credit if I underspent the budget. So, spend it - simple! You surely can find a very nice place for that money. Don’t fall into the trap of wanting/’needing’ to live within walking distance of work. a lot of people do this. I did first time. Push your comfort zone, get out of the immediate downtown city centre. You get far more for your money: that budget is a studio in town, or a 3 or 4-bedder condo with all facilities (gym, swimming pools, etc etc) 20-30 minutes subway ride away. You decide!!


p.s. Half my genes are nailed to the Norwegian flag-pole, so... however, I do love the Swedes and have friends there. How to describe Swedish birds in comparison to the Noggies? .... ‘earnest goddesses’? lol .... hehehe ...


Thank you so much for all your input mr JR. I totally agree with you that I probably get a once in a life time-chance to quickly build a decent buffer. Once I settle with a wife, that want kids, and handbags, it's obviously too late.. ;-)


Key take-aways:
-be open minded when it comes to area. Will most def be looking to get some of those juicy facilities now that I have the chance. We don't have gymnasiums or swimming pools in our apartment buildings in Swe.
-land lords are evil and will try to steal my funnymoney.

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Postby CAO » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 1:38 am

JR8 wrote:The poll is also likely to be flawed. Almost any locals cruising in the background will vote for the 'I hate foreigners' option. You 'earn so much', they hate you and vote 'Don't come'. Pathetic but true.

This is an immature, childish, infantile, jealous, bitter, kiasu, bridge that you will learn to cross when you come to it. So meanwhile, COMPLETELY ignore the results of your poll.

[This is precisely why I remarked in my earlier comment this morning, 'people who vote NO, should say why'. Of course the nay-sayers will never explain, they will just silently, anonymously hate, as they usually do :roll: :roll:]


One of the upsides of being raised in a heavily socialist society: I'm not one for bling. I'm sure I'll get along just fine with locals, i'm fairly low key in my way of life.

From a purely statistical standpoint it is annoying though.. :-)

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 8:54 am

CAO wrote:
the lynx wrote:
CAO wrote:@the lynx: Thanks for heads up regarding this. Do you reckon utilities will run as high as S$1000 a month for a fairly modern 1BR? I'm sure I will be more generous on the a/c than locals are. Still - for S$5k I'm assuming I will be able to get a nice enough apartment and not have to compromise too much with my standard of living compared to Sweden?

Additional info: company pays for all costs involving the relocation. That is: 1mth temporary Service Apartment while looking for a permanent place, they also pay for the shipping of my furniture, as well as storage in Sweden for the stuff I leave behind. Also they pay my plane ticket for the ride over.


Note that not all furniture is suitable. condominiums in Singapore are very small, unless you pay more than SGD9k for a spacious ones. And different bed sizes apply here too. Unless your company is not paying for new furniture, I'd suggest not to bring them over because you may find some of them won't fit in some layout. And if you're bringing in European-sized beds, you need to bring the sheets, duvets as well because it will be hard for you to find the right size in Singapore. Electrical appliances too. Different voltage. May as well buy all of them new and spare the headache, since your company is paying for your storage back in Sweden anyway.

If you have a cable channel subscription, land line, electricity, water etc, probably it will hit around SGD500. I'm not sure. It all depends on your usage. But a SGD5000 plus monthly rental will give you comfortable sized 1BR in good location.


Got it - will in case look through my stuff and see what would better be left behind. Is furniture or electrical appliances generally cheap or expensive in Singapore? I feel that i've come to the stage in my life when I (even though i'm from Sweden) don't want to pick up my entire home in flat packages from IKEA...


Standard electrical appliances come in wide range of prices and quality. For example, you can have a Japanese/Chinese brand kettle for only SGD30, while a top-notch high-featured all-bling European brand will cost SGD300. So kettle, fan, toaster, microwave oven, blender, radio alarm clock etc won't be a problem. There are malls or outlets where you can buy all these in one stop like Funan, Courts, Ikea, Challenger, Best Denki, Harvey Norman etc.

Furniture is a bit tricky because it all depends on you. I know some friends who insist to import European bed frames etc because they are too tall for Asian size (and the rest of the package i.e. sheets etc). And some have obsession to high quality teak wood furniture. While some are content to have everything from Ikea because it is fun, cheap and convenient, the quality of Ikea here leaves a lot to desire. You can look into Vhive for the better version of Ikea but selection is limited. Anything else you can pop into furniture malls in Jurong East, Bedok and etc. If you are not fussy, possibilities are endless. Even better if your company is giving you allowance for furniture.

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Postby JR8 » Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:29 am

zzm9980 wrote:No skiing or Swedish girls here...


No skiing here, but you can go and do something different: Ski in Japan!

I ski'd quite frequently when I was there, plus going from here for a w/e skiing up there, so it's quite possible if you need your fix. But I dreamed of skiing Hokkaido, the northern island! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Cwt5qrs98
Hokkaido Heli-Skiing

It's not that far from here! :)


Edit to add:
Hokkaido Kanpai - Japan Ski Trip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNQCUcieaQ

I wish there was more of the apres ski too, as that's damned good fun too.
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Postby CAO » Tue, 12 Aug 2014 6:36 pm

Thank you all for the input - moving over just in time for the Singapore GP. Signed for 3 years.


See you there,
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Postby Mi Amigo » Thu, 14 Aug 2014 1:28 am

Congratulations, and good luck for the move! Please be sure to post some updates from time to time; I'm sure they'll make for interesting reading and will also be useful for others who may be contemplating a similar move.
Be careful what you wish for

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 14 Aug 2014 8:33 am

JR8 wrote:Good stuff!
You might want to go and check out the 'Relo/Moving' sub-chapter, and look up topics like 'What to bring', and 'Where to live' and similar. So that you can start to consider such things at your leisure...

examples:
What to bring when moving to Singapore from the US
ptopic79193.html

What To Bring from Canada?
ftopic100323.html

Moving to Singapore: what to bring [ex NYC]?
ptopic73819.html

What to bring to Singapore?
ftopic71062.html

Advice on what to bring.. with a twist!
sutra623449.html

What to bring over...?
sutra489254.html


The forum search on 'what to bring' brings up 9 more pages of hits (the above is from page 1!). As you see it's a common question...


This would be a good sticky post.

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Postby nakatago » Thu, 14 Aug 2014 9:32 am

zzm9980 wrote:This would be a good sticky post.


Done. Peeps, just add links to other threads on that post; e.g. 'What to bring to Singapore from Kyrgyzstan'

So, when replying to someone asking, just post the link (below) with some description of what they'll find there.

ftopic103156.html

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Postby zzm9980 » Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:41 am

nakatago wrote:e.g. 'What to bring to Singapore from Kyrgyzstan'


but what about East Africastanisbad?


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