For me it was the former, pure luck.duffman wrote:I was just wondering (preparing myself for the future here) how you guys managed to find expat jobs ? was it pure luck that you landed in the right company and got offered a job overseas and jumped at the chance ? or did you guys look for jobs in companies that had business overseas and asked at the first chance to work overseas ?
duffman wrote: Just curious as once i finish my degree i would love to work overseas (in basically any asian country) while i'm still young for an extended period of time + what sectors do you guys work in ? & and is there enough accounting/finance jobs overseas ? :/
Thanks for the tip ! I'd like to hope I would be good at my job but I am definately giving all I have into my studies so I can set myself up for later in lifeGirl_Next_Door wrote:Another alternatives is, study really hard and get yourself into one of the banks' "Management Associates" program. Most of them have overseas program and many are on an accelerated career path (assuming that you are actually good in doing your job as well).
They are not easy to get in, and requires really good results.
Thanks so much JR8 ! I really do appreciate it and thanks for the in-depth insight !JR8 wrote: Your test is going to be getting some experience back home, preferably in something that is highly desired/required out in this region. That seems to be when it falls into place. Don't underestimate a chance to get your 'foot in the door', an internship, an extended 'rescue mission' type business trip, and so on.
I hope that might give you a few ideas of one man's experience (apologies to those regulars who've heard my tales before ). Good luck to you, and remember: 'There is no such thing as luck: Luck is when preparation meets opportunity'.
Thanks AngMoG! I'm in a little bit of a similiar situation as I work part time (like 20 hours a week) doing Quality/OHS in a reasonably large company but I am lower down in the food chain whilst I'm still at Uni full-time but yeah I really appreciate your comments and feedbackAngMoG wrote:Maybe to tell my experience, as a bit of a contrast to JR8's...
I relocated to Singapore after I finished my studies to begin a PhD back in 2007 (in computer science, if it matters). Apparently, I had picked a really lousy professor, and I couldn't take it for too long... quit after 7 months. Was out of work in SG for about 1.5 months, before finding a job somewhat unrelated to my field. Did that for 1.5 years, then went back to IT. Stayed at a smaller company for 1 year, where I learned a lot. Then worked for an international bank in a somewhat responsible position for more than 3 years. Finally relocated from SG to PH for a new job that offered more responsibility, though in a medium-sized company this time. So I did the classic SG "promotion through changing company" thing.
*edit* I should add that I worked alongside my studies, which gave me some early work experience as a developer and helped me a lot.
What I did back then will most likely be much more difficult today - back then, getting EP was not an issue at all, nowadays it is quite tough. So nowadays, I would not really recommend doing that at all. Better, as a foreigner, to look for a job at a bigger company I guess.
Thanks ts1978 ! really appreciate your feedback and insight yeah I want to learn a new language but not sure which would be the most helpful for jobs in the future, I know a little (literally not much) japanese, but I thought probably Mandarin or Cantonese would be more benficial ? still undecidedts1978 wrote:My general advice: regardless of what type of studies you pursue, is find a way to make yourself rare/unique. This is not nearly as hard as it sounds.
Take a common skillset (like finance) and add to it:
1. A second language (especially a less common one for an expat to speak like Thai, Vietnamese, etc)
2. And/Or a strong specialization/focus in a niche or emerging area. At your age you're probably in a great position to identify some of these: Internet of Things, personal robotics, Healthcare 2.0, Education 2.0, renewable energy, or whatever.
3. And/Or additional skills/interests you pick up outside of formal education/work: teach yourself how to code, create content about a specific subject, get involved in a volunteer project or an industry association.
None of those detract from your core abilities, but will create specific opportunities where your background becomes a perfect-match for someone, somewhere.
Personally, I arrived in Asia through an internal transfer in a global SME, then spent quite some time in an senior role in an MNC, and am now CEO of a different global SME. Although only the first of those three jobs actually brought me here, in all three I've had/have pretty much a carte blanche for international mobility anywhere.
I have a basic (even boring) skillset, but I've colored it with highly context-specific and specialized experience. For the right job/company who need *exactly that*, you suddenly have a lot of choices open to you.
I wouldn't bother myself. Unless you expect to be in a role where you are expected to deal with others who don't speak English.duffman wrote: yeah I want to learn a new language but not sure which would be the most helpful for jobs in the future, I know a little (literally not much) japanese, but I thought probably Mandarin or Cantonese would be more benficial ? still undecided
Yeah good point JR8 ! When you worked abroad did you deal with many poeple who couldn't speak english/speak english well ? just curiousJR8 wrote:I wouldn't bother myself. Unless you expect to be in a role where you are expected to deal with others who don't speak English.duffman wrote: yeah I want to learn a new language but not sure which would be the most helpful for jobs in the future, I know a little (literally not much) japanese, but I thought probably Mandarin or Cantonese would be more benficial ? still undecided
There is the old adage 'Anyone who is anything speaks English', so ...
You could spend years beginning to learn any of the above languages, but to what advantage? You could do a Masters in something that is directly relevant in less time.
No. I think to an extent, when needed and without thinking about it, you simply change gears and speak in a simpler form of English. That covers most things. When dealing with the very rare case of someone who speaks no English, then I have simply routed the comms via a local colleague. [Do note though, that I've only worked for Western MNCs in Asia. Still mostly local staff, but the expectation was that comms would be in English. And if you were to work for a JPnese or Korean MNC this might be different. In SG English is the first language, so you can pretty much end the discussion there on that matter].duffman wrote: Yeah good point JR8 ! When you worked abroad did you deal with many poeple who couldn't speak english/speak english well ? just curious
But i presume the higher up in a company the more english is spoken i guess ?
but i still needa getmy degree then find a job overseas aha (sorry for getting ahead of myself)
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