No - what you're seeing there is the MOM trying to get rid of foreigners in PMT roles -that's really where the unemployment issue is in Singapore (middle class, middle age SC professionals who are out of work).ts1978 wrote:Question for those of you in a position (HR or otherwise) where you are regularly applying for EP's and WP's for staff: is your sense that there's been further tightening over the past quarter or so?
Just had a rejection from MOM for a role close to $8K/mo, good qualifications and some "brand name" MNC experience, in Singapore for 7 years already, and a spouse that is on a P1 EP. This person is from a neighboring country.
Was quite a surprise to me, as I expected the rejection focus would be on those hovering around the minimum threshold which this role is double over.
ts1978 wrote:Question for those of you in a position (HR or otherwise) where you are regularly applying for EP's and WP's for staff: is your sense that there's been further tightening over the past quarter or so?
Just had a rejection from MOM for a role close to $8K/mo, good qualifications and some "brand name" MNC experience, in Singapore for 7 years already, and a spouse that is on a P1 EP. This person is from a neighboring country.
Was quite a surprise to me, as I expected the rejection focus would be on those hovering around the minimum threshold which this role is double over.
midlet2013 wrote:If you dont mind, do you want to share what kind of role is that ? Is it scientific or managerial or marketing ??
ts1978 wrote:Question for those of you in a position (HR or otherwise) where you are regularly applying for EP's and WP's for staff: is your sense that there's been further tightening over the past quarter or so?
Just had a rejection from MOM for a role close to $8K/mo, good qualifications and some "brand name" MNC experience, in Singapore for 7 years already, and a spouse that is on a P1 EP. This person is from a neighboring country.
Was quite a surprise to me, as I expected the rejection focus would be on those hovering around the minimum threshold which this role is double over.
If that's the case, then they should definitely be given every opportunity to fill those roles for which their knowledge and experience is appropriate. I always endeavoured to hire Singaporeans for all new roles, but on more than one occasion we just couldn't find a person with the right background from the local population (at least from those who actually bothered to show up for their interview - don't get me started on that). In those (minority) situations we had to look for candidates with PR or for whom an EP would be required.PNGMK wrote:Doesn't matter midget, there's unemployed SC in all those categories.
Mi Amigo wrote:If that's the case, then they should definitely be given every opportunity to fill those roles for which their knowledge and experience is appropriate. I always endeavoured to hire Singaporeans for all new roles, but on more than one occasion we just couldn't find a person with the right background from the local population (at least from those who actually bothered to show up for their interview - don't get me started on that). In those (minority) situations we had to look for candidates with PR or for whom an EP would be required.PNGMK wrote:Doesn't matter midget, there's unemployed SC in all those categories.
Latterly, 'HQ' were totally uninterested in hiring any more people in Singapore anyway (preferring to expand the teams in other regional hubs instead), as the country was viewed as being 'too expensive and too difficult to hire people', i.e. just not worth the aggro and cost any more.
The Singapore unemployment rate rose from 1.8% to 2% in Q1:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/singapo ... yment-rate
... So yes, there are some unemployed people (albeit at a lower level than in most other developed countries) and they should be helped to find jobs. But if the gahmen wants to reverse the trend of companies scaling down or moving out, they need to deal with the causes of the negative perception I mentioned above. IMHO of course.
It does matter... quite a few companies are pulling up stakes and moving their staffs elsewhere... costs are high, hiring other than local is getting harder and harder.PNGMK wrote:Your perception and experience doesn't matter. What matters is the grassroots feedback and PAP polling.
GE 2016 is not far away.
Mi Amigo wrote:If that's the case, then they should definitely be given every opportunity to fill those roles for which their knowledge and experience is appropriate. I always endeavoured to hire Singaporeans for all new roles, but on more than one occasion we just couldn't find a person with the right background from the local population (at least from those who actually bothered to show up for their interview - don't get me started on that). In those (minority) situations we had to look for candidates with PR or for whom an EP would be required.PNGMK wrote:Doesn't matter midget, there's unemployed SC in all those categories.
Latterly, 'HQ' were totally uninterested in hiring any more people in Singapore anyway (preferring to expand the teams in other regional hubs instead), as the country was viewed as being 'too expensive and too difficult to hire people', i.e. just not worth the aggro and cost any more.
The Singapore unemployment rate rose from 1.8% to 2% in Q1:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/singapo ... yment-rate
... So yes, there are some unemployed people (albeit at a lower level than in most other developed countries) and they should be helped to find jobs. But if the gahmen wants to reverse the trend of companies scaling down or moving out, they need to deal with the causes of the negative perception I mentioned above. IMHO of course.
PNGMK wrote:Doesn't matter midget, there's unemployed SC in all those categories.
midlet2013 wrote:If you dont mind, do you want to share what kind of role is that ? Is it scientific or managerial or marketing ??
ts1978 wrote:Question for those of you in a position (HR or otherwise) where you are regularly applying for EP's and WP's for staff: is your sense that there's been further tightening over the past quarter or so?
Just had a rejection from MOM for a role close to $8K/mo, good qualifications and some "brand name" MNC experience, in Singapore for 7 years already, and a spouse that is on a P1 EP. This person is from a neighboring country.
Was quite a surprise to me, as I expected the rejection focus would be on those hovering around the minimum threshold which this role is double over.
You're correct. The unemployed 2% probably wouldn't even all be qualified as taxi uncles or kopi aunties.midlet2013 wrote:Being unemployed does not mean suitability for a vacancy. If thats the case, throw 2% foreigners and we will have 100% employment.
PNGMK - u need glasses man. I feel ur eyes are giving up. Its hard for u to differentiate between midlet and midget
... in the sense that the gahmen may not care one iota about what we (and the expat / international community at large) think; i.e. they might indeed be taking an exclusively short-term view in the run-up to the next GE. If that's really the case, it would (IMHO) undermine one of the key pillars of Singapore's success to date, namely looking at and planning things over a ~20 year time-frame. In which case SE is correct - they will throw the baby out with the bathwater (I refer the honourable ladies and gentlemen present to my signature below).PNGMK wrote:Your perception and experience doesn't matter. What matters is the grassroots feedback and PAP polling.
GE 2016 is not far away.
OP also doesnt mention what kind of company it is, what is the ratio of locals vs foreigners, whether they have misused EPs in the past and have been warned before.gailwynand wrote:OP does not mention the educational qualifications, they are cracking down on those also. Not only diploma mills, but lower quality regional universities.
zzm9980 wrote:You're correct. The unemployed 2% probably wouldn't even all be qualified as taxi uncles or kopi aunties.midlet2013 wrote:Being unemployed does not mean suitability for a vacancy. If thats the case, throw 2% foreigners and we will have 100% employment.
PNGMK - u need glasses man. I feel ur eyes are giving up. Its hard for u to differentiate between midlet and midget
PNGMK probably did that intentionally.
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