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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:27 pm

JR8 wrote:I find it strange that this forum is an oasis of calm, experience, and considered help and support, and then....

2 or 3 trolls always turn up at the same time.

[or so it seems]

Dunno, every time I see new names, and one new poster replying to another new poster, I always suspect them to be the same person. This thread is no exception.

I was just waiting for the window to say this earlier.

It's probably one or two cretins from hardwarezone.

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:40 pm

Well then I guess star spangled banner and uncle sam are not what identifies with the US then, then what is?


morenangpinay wrote:That's not national identity. What's your core? I'm just curious
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Postby Fortan » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:42 pm

morenangpinay wrote:That's not national identity. What's your core? I'm just curious


I have to agree with that statement. That is national pride, not national identity. I can't see what and where your national identity can be hurt by foreigners and to be honest, I can't see where they hurt your national pride either? As an example of national identity, take the Chinese or the Thai's. They have a unique food culture. They have a unique language and scripts. They have a unique and very old musical (as well as instruments) culture. They have regional differences in traditional clothing. That is culture. National culture is defined by Geert Hofstede as: “Culture is the collective programming of the mind distinguishing the members of one group or category of people from others”

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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:43 pm

Sing Along wrote:3. They hire their own kinds. (This is a social issue even among locals but for a "Guest" to do it, it just aggravate the Singaporeans vs FT issue)


And promote. If anyone here on this thread does not think that every nationality does not favor their own, then you are kidding yourself.

There are always exceptions, but I see this all of the time and have even been victim to it myself (amongst foreign hiring managers). It makes no difference local or foreigner or which flavor of foreigner, it comes down to the person.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:44 pm

singaporebornand bred wrote:And singing national anthemn and reciting pledge in school every morning is not something done is all countries.


You only find this kind of spray-on '''patriotism''' in places where none naturally exists. But rather where the government need to ram it in to extend their power and influence. Same with children hoisting and saluting the flag each morning, and goose-stepping around the playground.

It's all rather creepy. Like North Korea.

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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:50 pm

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singaporebornand inbred wrote:Please lah, do you employ hundreds or thousands of SIngaporeans ? Employing less than 0.001% of singapore's population and you are claiming the right to criticise SIngaporeans.. We dont care if you pull out and get the hell out of SIngapore it wont make a difference to us at all !!!


I'll leave you to guess how many jobs we created for Singaporeans since I opened the regional office, but I'll tell you this: Very few (if any) will be added going forward, as Singapore is now viewed as an undesirable location, due to its high cost and difficulty of hiring people. My role was relocated to another city which is now considered to be the APAC HQ, so Singapore has lost out on future job growth.

All the evidence shows that many other companies are either scaling down or moving out completely, so your wish for employers to get the hell out of Singapore appears to be coming true; I'm sure you will be delighted when more and more jobs are lost as a result. However, I think you'll find that it might actually make a difference to you all in the long run.


Those familiar with my posts will remember how many times I've said the same thing over the past 2-3 years now.

Companies big and small are pulling out and with that, jobs and the local businesses those in those jobs supported. In fact, it's accelerating and it goes across many industries.

The other thing is, it is unlikely that once these companies withdraw, they will ever be back, or be back in anyone here's working lifetime.

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 8:53 pm

Well racist incidents are already happening on a wide scale in Australia, does that form the Aussie national identity? Or take the instance of HK now not allowing Pinoys to take up PR in HK, does that form HK's national identity?

Fortan wrote:...... If I were to ask people who don't live here but who have visited, they would say the national culture here is food and shopping and to a certain degree the Singlish language, although it is partly borrowed, it is still unique. How is Philippine (or others) going to take your national pride away? How are they going to take your national identity away from you? They can't…… If the xenophobic views continues to spread and hatred builds towards foreigners, that will become part of your reputation and national identity. I am not sure you really want that.
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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:01 pm

Fortan wrote:What national identity is that? Can you explain to me what national identity a Singaporean has - except being born in Singapore? What makes a Singaporean unique? I am just curious as I can't see the identity here. What I see is the opposite - a lack of identity.

You don't have your own language, Singlish is taken from the neighboring countries mother tongue. A Singaporean is not Malay, you are not Chinese, you are not Indian but you are a Singaporean.

With a 49 year old 'culture' that I can't see…. This is not a post to piss on Singaporeans or anything along those lines, I just don't see any culture here except for eating and talking about food - and of course shopping.

However, I might be completely missing the Singaporean identity, even in my Singaporean friends… I just can't find it.


I have to agree with everything you wrote. I've been here longer than you and I have yet to find it either, and I have looked and integrated and ended up pulling out every time.

The culture is not much more that a lot of talking about food that is mediocre at best and pales in comparison with almost any other Asian nation, and shopping malls for things that are more expensive here than anywhere (?) else. It's just all so empty - safe, pleasant, but empty.

And before the Troll With Multiple Accounts reacts by telling people about leaving, well you have to realize that not everyone here who is not from here wants to be here or even enjoys being here.

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:03 pm

Well not sure if these companies made mentioned are pulling out because of the reduction of foreign workers and the rise of xenophobia. I have been in talks with some European (small) business owners that whilst they see Europe as getting more expensive to house some of their operations hence forcing them to move to Asia. They admit that they would rather have their APAC HQ in Singapore over other APAC countries owing to an established infrastructure and efficient government. Maybe these companies made mentioned below are pulling out because of the escalating cost in Singapore which for some industries would be better off moving their operations to developing countries.

Brah wrote:Companies big and small are pulling out and with that, jobs and the local businesses those in those jobs supported. In fact, it's accelerating and it goes across many industries.

The other thing is, it is unlikely that once these companies withdraw, they will ever be back, or be back in anyone here's working lifetime.
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Postby Blade » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:04 pm

Hey fellows, what a bunch of hypocrites.

There are threads here which are guilty of racial stereotyping:

Quote:"If there wasn't a security guard there, the local would have probably taken the doors off and sold them as scrap to her uncle".

Quote: "This will be applicable for a local Msian".

Tsk,tsk,tsk...

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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:07 pm

[quote="singaporebornand bred"]On the inflow of foreigners, more Singaporeans preferred reducing it even if this translated to slower growth and jobs. Lower income groups were more inclined towards reducing the inflow of foreigners, which may be “a reflection of the competition for jobs at that level”

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Postby Sing Along » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:07 pm

Brah wrote:
Sing Along wrote:3. They hire their own kinds. (This is a social issue even among locals but for a "Guest" to do it, it just aggravate the Singaporeans vs FT issue)


And promote. If anyone here on this thread does not think that every nationality does not favor their own, then you are kidding yourself.

There are always exceptions, but I see this all of the time and have even been victim to it myself (amongst foreign hiring managers). It makes no difference local or foreigner or which flavor of foreigner, it comes down to the person.


Hi, I guess you guess have to read my sentence again. "This is a social issue even among locals"

As locals, we do have many cases where chinese bosses prefer chinese, malay bosses prefer malays etc. But these jobs ultimately are going to back to Singaporeans raised and bred in Singapore with their parents having contributed to building the country.

Where else as a guest from another country, engaging in discriminatory hiring and promotion(sic), will rile up the locals. You may call if xenophobic or patriotic, depending on how you choose to view it. You can refer to any other country, be it first world or third world and see if this is a trend.

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:10 pm

Not just this thread but if you noticed other threads, it's very obvious!


Blade wrote:Hey fellows, what a bunch of hypocrites.

There are threads here which are guilty of racial stereotyping:

Quote:"If there wasn't a security guard there, the local would have probably taken the doors off and sold them as scrap to her uncle".

Quote: "This will be applicable for a local Msian".

Tsk,tsk,tsk...
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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:12 pm

yogaloungeforever wrote:Well not sure if these companies made mentioned are pulling out because of the reduction of foreign workers and the rise of xenophobia. I have been in talks with some European (small) business owners that whilst they see Europe as getting more expensive to house some of their operations hence forcing them to move to Asia.

They admit that they would rather have their APAC HQ in Singapore over other APAC countries owing to an established infrastructure and efficient government. Maybe these companies made mentioned below are pulling out because of the escalating cost in Singapore which for some industries would be better off moving their operations to developing countries.


Not all of them, and not any more. Those HQs were mostly in HK, Japan and Aus, and as those places have become more cost-efficient, they are gradually moving people and whole departments back to those locations, and, cancelling earlier plans to move departments here.

Remember, even though parts of some businesses were moved here, the core businesses for these companies remain in the core locations.

Xenophobia is a much lower factor, but it certainly will become a bigger one if it continues as it has in the past year.

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Postby Brah » Fri, 20 Jun 2014 9:14 pm

Sing Along wrote:
Brah wrote:
Sing Along wrote:3. They hire their own kinds. (This is a social issue even among locals but for a "Guest" to do it, it just aggravate the Singaporeans vs FT issue)


And promote. If anyone here on this thread does not think that every nationality does not favor their own, then you are kidding yourself.

There are always exceptions, but I see this all of the time and have even been victim to it myself (amongst foreign hiring managers). It makes no difference local or foreigner or which flavor of foreigner, it comes down to the person.


Hi, I guess you guess have to read my sentence again. "This is a social issue even among locals"

As locals, we do have many cases where chinese bosses prefer chinese, malay bosses prefer malays etc. But these jobs ultimately are going to back to Singaporeans raised and bred in Singapore with their parents having contributed to building the country.

Where else as a guest from another country, engaging in discriminatory hiring and promotion(sic), will rile up the locals. You may call if xenophobic or patriotic, depending on how you choose to view it. You can refer to any other country, be it first world or third world and see if this is a trend.

Nope, I was talking about Westerners from Country A preferring to hire Westerners from Country A over Westerners from Country B, etc. and how favoritism is not just at the local/non-local level.


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