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Chances of PR Aproval

Postby kumar1986_1 » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 2:06 pm

Hi There,

I have been in singapore for 5 yrs. I did my masters in NTU and currently working in MNC. My salary is 5400 SGD. I have been working for 3.5 yrs in singapore. I am an indian. I applied pr in early 2013 and got rejected. DO i have stand a chance if i apply. I am single and of age 27.

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Re: Chances of PR Aproval

Postby the lynx » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 2:09 pm

kumar1986_1 wrote:Hi There,

I have been in singapore for 5 yrs. I did my masters in NTU and currently working in MNC. My salary is 5400 SGD. I have been working for 3.5 yrs in singapore. I am an indian. I applied pr in early 2013 and got rejected. DO i have stand a chance if i apply. I am single and of age 27.


What did you rejection letter say when you received it? Did it say something like "reapply after XX number of years" or "you are welcome to stay in your existing employment visa/permit etc"?

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Postby kumar1986_1 » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 2:13 pm

I received "you are welcome to stay in your existing employment visa/permit et" in rejection letter

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 2:35 pm

Don't bother reapplying. They are not interested. Had they been interested they would have given you a time frame to reapply, e.g., two years, etc. You received, what we call the letter of death with regards to PR.

However, we did have one poster swear up and down somebody he knew got his PR after being rejected around 5 times. But we were getting that third hand so I suspect it was either a troll or something was there that we weren't being told. I've never actually heard of anybody turning around the letter of no return. Considering you are 3.5 years into a position after receiving a Masters, I reckon your income is too low for consideration. Ethnicity notwithstanding.

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Postby Barnsley » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 2:36 pm

kumar1986_1 wrote:I received "you are welcome to stay in your existing employment visa/permit et" in rejection letter


Unless something has changed greatly since your first application then I would suspect there is no point.

You are at a level whereby in the current climate you "are taking" a locals job so just having an Employment Pass is a plus.

Looking to change employer or are you ill?

Otherwise what do want PR for?
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Postby the lynx » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 2:36 pm

kumar1986_1 wrote:I received "you are welcome to stay in your existing employment visa/permit et" in rejection letter


Here is my take on this based on your rejection letter and your profile (you can choose to reject as it is not authoritative):

ICA has already decided that you are not wanted here, because if they do, they would have either approved you or asked you to reapply after 1 or 2 years in the rejection letter.

There have been, and are still, too many applicants from your country. And too many of them are also Masters holder. Not sure what industry you're from but apparently your profile is not highly niched or specialised enough to warrant your value for Singapore. Your salary of SGD5,400 is also very common.

But, if your profile has improved tremendously since that rejection letter, then you may try again. The changes I'm talking about is salary increase, acquisition of important, rare and specialised skills, having son(s) to offer for NS or other important factors.

Until you have not attained these improvement to your profile, I'd suggest not to waste your time trying to apply and have a backup plan to go to better countries where your skills will be better appreciated.

But I can be proven wrong.

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Postby Barnsley » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 5:33 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:However, we did have one poster swear up and down somebody he knew got his PR after being rejected around 5 times.


That was my colleague , however I have no idea if he got the "you are welcome to stay" letters or he was told each time what he needed to do in order to potentially have a succesful application.
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Re: Chances of PR Aproval

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 10 Jun 2014 10:31 pm

kumar1986_1 wrote:Hi There,

I have been in singapore for 5 yrs. I did my masters in NTU and currently working in MNC. My salary is 5400 SGD. I have been working for 3.5 yrs in singapore. I am an indian. I applied pr in early 2013 and got rejected. DO i have stand a chance if i apply. I am single and of age 27.


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Postby the lynx » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 8:29 am

Barnsley wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:However, we did have one poster swear up and down somebody he knew got his PR after being rejected around 5 times.


That was my colleague , however I have no idea if he got the "you are welcome to stay" letters or he was told each time what he needed to do in order to potentially have a succesful application.


I don't think ICA will "tell" an applicant what is needed for successful application. That'd set for an avalanche of tailor-made applications.

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Postby Barnsley » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 9:44 am

the lynx wrote:
Barnsley wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:However, we did have one poster swear up and down somebody he knew got his PR after being rejected around 5 times.


That was my colleague , however I have no idea if he got the "you are welcome to stay" letters or he was told each time what he needed to do in order to potentially have a succesful application.


I don't think ICA will "tell" an applicant what is needed for successful application. That'd set for an avalanche of tailor-made applications.


I meant the time frame to.reapply.

one year , two year or 6 months.

I have no idea what the variations on the rejection letter can be.
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Postby proxymoron » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:26 am

the lynx wrote:I don't think ICA will "tell" an applicant what is needed for successful application. That'd set for an avalanche of tailor-made applications.


Also from what I heard from couple of my friends, the letter saying "Apply after XX months" also is just like an extension. Both of them got their PR application rejected when applied after "xx months" as given in first rejection letter. Both were Indian, IT professionals working in banking with around 6k salary.

They didnt had anything to add in to their profile since first rejection letter. So in OPs case, unless you have some drastic change in your profile, it is better not to apply.
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Postby kumar1986_1 » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:50 pm

I was getting around 3800 when i applied last time and was in Q1 Ep now i am in p2 EP. Also I working for International organisation for economic development less privileged nations around the world.

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 1:34 pm

kumar1986_1 wrote:I was getting around 3800 when i applied last time and was in Q1 Ep now i am in p2 EP. Also I working for International organisation for economic development less privileged nations around the world.


So if you applied when your salary was $3800 in early 2013 but got rejected, then you should consider applying now that you are earning $5400. That's 42% increase in pay.

No one really cares about Q1, P1 or P2 any more. That multi-tiered EP classification system has been abolished.

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 2:44 pm

42% may look impressive but his salary is still (relativ to his profile) low and his profile not imressive at all. I don't think he stands a chance.

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Postby opinionatedman » Wed, 11 Jun 2014 3:27 pm

High salary also does not warrant a definite granting of PR, but 40% hike is salary is a definitive change, worth a try.


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