I have no problem with not giving character references. The references hold no values anyway.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Frankly, I can almost see PNGMK's point. The company is doing them a favour. If they are job hoppers (less than two years on the job - assuming that they are not Project types of workers, but on permanent hire) then if they called me, and the HR point of his old company, what can I say. If I cannot say anything positive then refusing to give any kind of character reference, I am absolved from either a) pumping him up, knowing he's a job hopper; or b) giving him a bad character reference - which would be deserved. Therefore, without the character reference the new potential employer would have to use the information on the CV and that he could glean out of the employee. If the employee doesn't have a termination letter, he's going to have to be creative trying to justify why he's left the old employer. That way he can stab himself in the back without the former employer, he's stabbed in the back, doing it.
This happens with banks. I have experienced this with 2 banks myself and also 2 other banks where my friends work. I have also provided reference for one of my colleagues and he had accepted an offer at ANZ.Its after you accept the offer, they carry out the background verification, only to check if you have done something wrong in previous company or produced any forged documents. Its not too late and in case the person has wilfully provided wrong information about previous employment or done any other malpractice its only then the background verification fails and he rightly doesn't get the job.Beeroclock wrote:Seems very strange and too late. What if background check turns up a problem, you have already resigned and accepted?Wd40 wrote:This is after accepting a new offer and resigning your old company. During the notice period is when the new employer/their agency do the background verification.bro75 wrote: I have never experienced this. Maybe this is an industry specific practice? You do not want your boss to know that you are applying to other companies. You also do not want your colleagues to know sometimes as there could be a leak to management.
Yes, some employer ask for relevant character reference normally a former colleague or superior or school professor but rarely a current one.
I thought referee check is last step before getting an offer and yes unlikely to be anyone from the current employer.
I have no idea how it works in Oil and gas. But in banking, this is the norm for everyone, not just shady characters.PNGMK wrote:I've never had this happen. Maybe they only do it with shady characters?Wd40 wrote:This is after accepting a new offer and resigning your old company. During the notice period is when the new employer/their agency do the background verification.bro75 wrote: I have never experienced this. Maybe this is an industry specific practice? You do not want your boss to know that you are applying to other companies. You also do not want your colleagues to know sometimes as there could be a leak to management.
Yes, some employer ask for relevant character reference normally a former colleague or superior or school professor but rarely a current one.
you are hired by people who know you by your work - wtf would they ring your old boss if they've prior knowledge of your ability?In my profession
:joke:Aragorn2000 wrote:Second Life? Anyway, the new sim madness has arrived. Gluing eyes to smartphone is nothing compared with thissundaymorningstaple wrote:I thought I was in Sim City! What was the other online virtual world we don't hear about anymore? (or at least I don't hear about it).
With an island full of 1st adopter unconscious zombie-types, it will probably not be a joke at all but the sad truth.the lynx wrote::joke:Aragorn2000 wrote:Second Life? Anyway, the new sim madness has arrived. Gluing eyes to smartphone is nothing compared with thissundaymorningstaple wrote:I thought I was in Sim City! What was the other online virtual world we don't hear about anymore? (or at least I don't hear about it).
Facebook, a company with zombifying products, has bought over Oculus. So let's brace for a new wave of Oculus-wearing Facebook-staring zombies walking on the street, which will be the ultimate eyes-not-looking-ahead peeve.
That's a useful system. Doesn't exist where I work tho.zzm9980 wrote:A lot of companies I know of have automated employee referral systems. Phone numbers future HR can call, provide an employee ID, and the system validates if you were an employee and your dates of employment. 100% automated, cannot provide additional info. You would have to provide future HR your former employee ID number so they have your implied consent.
Lots of people I know have linkedIn profiles, but don't use it for the referrals. It's gotten quite spammy. I wouldn't take a lack of LI referrals for someone as anything more than those in a position to refer them aren't heavy LI users.Mi Amigo wrote:An additional resource that I've used in the past when assessing potential new employees is their LinkedIn profile; specifically whether they have recommendations from colleagues / bosses. It can also provide a mechanism outside of the company's internal communication system to contact (only with the candidate's prior consent of course) people whose opinions would be helpful.
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