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Definition: Malay ?

Post by JR8 » Wed, 21 May 2014 8:53 am

In another topic, the definition of 'Malay' arises:
the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
JR8 wrote: I mean 'Black Trash' WTH!?
Now if you bitch about a Malaysian wedding...
Malay wedding...
Malaysian refers to nationality of country Malaysia, not ethnicity of the Malays.
:P :P :P
And yet...
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Ma·lay [mey-ley, muh-ley]
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a racially intermixed, generally short-statured people who are the dominant population of the Malay Peninsula and adjacent islands.
2. of or pertaining to the language or culture of these people. noun
3. a member of the Malay people.
4. an Austronesian language of Malaysia and Singapore, differing from Indonesian only in orthography.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/malay?s=t

Ma·lay·sian [muh-ley-zhuhn, -shuhn]
1. a native or inhabitant of Malaysia.
2. Malay (adjective)
3. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Malaysia or its inhabitants.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Malaysian?s=t
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So a Malay is a generally 'short-statured' (hehehe) person of the Malay peninsular (and islands).

But a Malay is also a native or inhabitant, of what ever ethnicity, of Malaysia.

Therefore is a wedding between non-Malay Malaysians still a Malay wedding?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 May 2014 9:04 am

No.

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Post by rajagainstthemachine » Wed, 21 May 2014 9:10 am

JR8 wrote:In another topic, the definition of 'Malay' arises:
the lynx wrote:
zzm9980 wrote: Now if you bitch about a Malaysian wedding...
Malay wedding...
Malaysian refers to nationality of country Malaysia, not ethnicity of the Malays.
:P :P :P
And yet...
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Ma·lay [mey-ley, muh-ley]
1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a racially intermixed, generally short-statured people who are the dominant population of the Malay Peninsula and adjacent islands.
2. of or pertaining to the language or culture of these people. noun
3. a member of the Malay people.
4. an Austronesian language of Malaysia and Singapore, differing from Indonesian only in orthography.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/malay?s=t

Ma·lay·sian [muh-ley-zhuhn, -shuhn]
1. a native or inhabitant of Malaysia.
2. Malay (adjective)
3. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Malaysia or its inhabitants.
4. people who can't find a plane (I kid I kid)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Malaysian?s=t
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So a Malay is a generally 'short-statured' (hehehe) person of the Malay peninsular (and islands).

But a Malay is also a native or inhabitant, of what ever ethnicity, of Malaysia.

Therefore is a wedding between non-Malay Malaysians still a Malay wedding?
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Post by Sergei82 » Wed, 21 May 2014 11:08 am

JR8 wrote:Therefore is a wedding between non-Malay Malaysians still a Malay wedding?
Mine will be pretty much traditional Malay (solemnization) and usual for celebration. I will be the only non-Malay there (but Malay-styled)). Is it therefore non-Malay?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 May 2014 11:32 am

As you will have to convert your religion to Islam (symbolically, at any rate) in order to marry a Malay and the rites have to be conducted using Malay/Muslim rites if the bride is Muslim/Malay, then yours would be a Malay Wedding. Regardless of whether it is held here in Singapore or in Malaysia. However, if your marriage was to a Malaysian Indian who is Hindu, you could have either a christian wedding or a Hindi wedding in Malaysia, so neither would be a Malay wedding as that is a cultural/religious designation and there isn't a wedding that would be a "Nationalistic" wedding, e.g., Malaysian wedding.

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Post by Steve1960 » Wed, 21 May 2014 11:46 am

An Islamic Sergei now there is a thought for the day.....................

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 May 2014 12:17 pm

:lol:

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Post by JR8 » Wed, 21 May 2014 1:29 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:As you will have to convert your religion to Islam (symbolically, at any rate) in order to marry a Malay and the rites have to be conducted using Malay/Muslim rites if the bride is Muslim/Malay, then yours would be a Malay Wedding. Regardless of whether it is held here in Singapore or in Malaysia.
I didn't, not even feigning to do so symbolically.
There were no religious rites.
The rites were in English, by a Chinese-SGn solemniser.

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Post by Primrose Hill » Wed, 21 May 2014 1:33 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:As you will have to convert your religion to Islam (symbolically, at any rate) in order to marry a Malay and the rites have to be conducted using Malay/Muslim rites if the bride is Muslim/Malay, then yours would be a Malay Wedding. Regardless of whether it is held here in Singapore or in Malaysia. However, if your marriage was to a Malaysian Indian who is Hindu, you could have either a christian wedding or a Hindi wedding in Malaysia, so neither would be a Malay wedding as that is a cultural/religious designation and there isn't a wedding that would be a "Nationalistic" wedding, e.g., Malaysian wedding.

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Post by durain » Wed, 21 May 2014 5:59 pm

JR8 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:As you will have to convert your religion to Islam (symbolically, at any rate) in order to marry a Malay and the rites have to be conducted using Malay/Muslim rites if the bride is Muslim/Malay, then yours would be a Malay Wedding. Regardless of whether it is held here in Singapore or in Malaysia.
I didn't, not even feigning to do so symbolically.
There were no religious rites.
The rites were in English, by a Chinese-SGn solemniser.
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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 21 May 2014 8:33 pm

JR8 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:As you will have to convert your religion to Islam (symbolically, at any rate) in order to marry a Malay and the rites have to be conducted using Malay/Muslim rites if the bride is Muslim/Malay, then yours would be a Malay Wedding. Regardless of whether it is held here in Singapore or in Malaysia.
I didn't, not even feigning to do so symbolically.
There were no religious rites.
The rites were in English, by a Chinese-SGn solemniser.
then your marriage is illegal, in the eyes of the religious chiefs, a-la the Catholic church reminding the flock those married to non-catholics' marriage doesn't exist in the eyes of the church

and any Muslim country can, or MAY, legally speaking, put you to death by stoning / hanging .... for cohabiting with a Muslim ... which you may avoid by quick conversion .. as i been told by a guy who was caught up in a similar predicament ...

of course I am sure you knew this. :p

PS, years ago I met a Muslim Steve. now a Muslim Sergei ....interesting ..

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Post by JR8 » Wed, 21 May 2014 10:42 pm

ecureilx wrote: then your marriage is illegal, in the eyes of the religious chiefs, a-la the Catholic church reminding the flock those married to non-catholics' marriage doesn't exist in the eyes of the church
Look. I am married to a SGn, and my residency is hinged upon being married to her. The marriage is legally recognised. It's good enough for the government.

I could not give a fig what 'religious chiefs' have to say, as I do not recognise them as having any authority over me/us.
ecureilx wrote:and any Muslim country can, or MAY, legally speaking, put you to death by stoning / hanging .... for cohabiting with a Muslim ... which you may avoid by quick conversion .. as i been told by a guy who was caught up in a similar predicament ...
Well it might surprise you, but nothing I possess does or would identify my religion. And furthermore, re: instant death and stoning etc., we're not planning on holidaying in Saudi any time soon :)

I'm not converting from one 'notional' religion I just happened to be brought up with, into another one that I similarly do not believe in, or overall respect. Not least as I am not in the slightest bit religious, believing all of them are equally as nonsensical.

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Post by Sergei82 » Wed, 21 May 2014 10:43 pm

People, hold you breath...........

I converted to Islam a month and a half ago!

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Post by JR8 » Wed, 21 May 2014 10:54 pm

Sergei82 wrote:People, hold you breath...........

I converted to Islam a month and a half ago!
But I bet you still enjoy beer and sausage :lol: :cool: :P

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 21 May 2014 11:06 pm

If he comes on Friday night, maybe we'll only allow him teh tarik! :P

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