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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby JR8 » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 1:06 pm

ecureilx wrote:PS, about Global Warning again, I believe nobody want to talk much about China, who has started implementing large scale Fracking and Shale Gas collection, which I believe is adding many times to the Global warming, but then who wants to pick a fight with China ?? None I guess !


And while we're on the subject, there is no such thing as the popularised crisis de jour 'global warming'; it all about taxing the little people.

I mean the Romans were growing grape-vines and producing wine in Scotland 1700 years ago, whereas now even with GM hybridisation and all the collective horticultural/scientific knowledge you'd be lucky* to grow usable grapes even 500 warmer miles to the south in England.



* There are a few recent English vineyards. But I'm quite sure their vines are GMd to the max to cope with the far from ideal conditions. And IIRC I've only tried, or even seen, an English wine once and would wish to avoid them in the future. Same reason you're not going to walk into Changi-DFS and find bottles of British, Irish, or Dutch (etc) wines...
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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 1:52 pm

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ecureilx wrote:PS, about Global Warning again, I believe nobody want to talk much about China, who has started implementing large scale Fracking and Shale Gas collection, which I believe is adding many times to the Global warming, but then who wants to pick a fight with China ?? None I guess !


And while we're on the subject, there is no such thing as the popularised crisis de jour 'global warming'; it all about taxing the little people.

I mean the Romans were growing grape-vines and producing wine in Scotland 1700 years ago, whereas now even with GM hybridisation and all the collective horticultural/scientific knowledge you'd be lucky* to grow usable grapes even 500 warmer miles to the south in England.



* There are a few recent English vineyards. But I'm quite sure their vines are GMd to the max to cope with the far from ideal conditions. And IIRC I've only tried, or even seen, an English wine once and would wish to avoid them in the future. Same reason you're not going to walk into Changi-DFS and find bottles of British, Irish, or Dutch (etc) wines...


Yet one more uninformed soul that helps ensure that global warming will go well beyond the tipping point (if not already).

The Pentagon has named global warming as the number one cause of future crises and military interventions. These are conservative people, analyzing conditions and issues, and yet we still end up with twaddle like, "there is no such thing as the popularised crisis de jour 'global warming'; it all about taxing the little people."

The issues are very real... changed rainfall patterns, drought, declining glaciers (and the attendant loss of river water for hundreds of millions), melting ice caps, reduced crop outputs, increasing sea levels... famine, displacements... it's happening already and will only get worse. Your 'evidence' of vineyards in the north during Roman times as contra-indicating global warming is silly and irrelevant to the challenges at hand... I had thought you better educated and more rational than that.

Global warming is very real and it continues unabated... further, there is little political will anywhere to do anything about it. Oddly, it will probably be the capitalistic system that finally forces change... starting with the staggering insurance payouts and moving towards containing expenses caused by global warming.

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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 1:57 pm

I remember well, when I was a child in elementary school about the harbingers of bad news about the dawning of a new Ice Age. We had some doosey's of some winters for around a decade but we are still waiting for the New Ice Age that all the scientists were sure their data predicted. I suppose what will be will be. Gaia will take care of it her way, as she had done so many times before. :-|

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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 2:03 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I remember well, when I was a child in elementary school about the harbingers of bad news about the dawning of a new Ice Age. We had some doosey's of some winters for around a decade but we are still waiting for the New Ice Age that all the scientists were sure their data predicted. I suppose what will be will be. Gaia will take care of it her way, as she had done so many times before. :-|


No question about that... the question is... will people still be hanging around?

And two more things... this so called ice age that scientists were predicting... you think you can actually find some evidence of this? This silly stuff is bantered about by naysayers all the time... but when you dig to find evidence, at best, you find a few outliers.

And second, global warming doesn't mean that everything becomes universally warmer... it means that additional heat is injected into the global weather system, creating larger, more intense storms... just like the norther that is blowing in right now from Alaska... the jet stream moves much farther south... and freezes in Florida and deep south Texas become much more common.

You aint seen nothing yet, and I fear for my grandchild.

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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby JR8 » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 2:14 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:Your 'evidence' of vineyards in the north during Roman times as contra-indicating global warming is silly and irrelevant to the challenges at hand... I had thought you better educated and more rational than that.


Ah, a signed-up zealot I see ;)

Why are Roman vines in Scotland irrelevant? How did that happen if conditions were not warmer than today? How could conditions have been warmer without all or in fact any of the 'inputs' blamed for AGW today?

AGW like religion is a faith; you have to have faith in politicians, and those paid to peddle the story, in the absence of evidence. Or so they demand.


p.s. Actually I'm really quite uneducated, but thanks for the suggestion otherwise!
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Postby JR8 » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 2:20 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I remember well, when I was a child in elementary school about the harbingers of bad news about the dawning of a new Ice Age. We had some doosey's of some winters for around a decade but we are still waiting for the New Ice Age that all the scientists were sure their data predicted. I suppose what will be will be. Gaia will take care of it her way, as she had done so many times before. :-|


Yes I've mentioned a similar experience. In school in the early/mid 70s watching films in class (re climate) and being told the pending ice-age was going to kill us all. Well that was if the Soviets hadn't nuked us all first. Happy times lol.

The 'impending ice-age' myth was politicised too.

p.s. And you wonder why people get cynical about all this lurching from one crisis, to an opposite one, to another one...

--- And the issue of the 'impending ice age' back in the 70s?
Google on ...'1970s impending ice age scare' and that should keep you busy for a whole, as all will be revealed.

Example:
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'Mainstream Media

What was the scientific consensus in the 1970s regarding future climate? The most cited example of 1970s cooling predictions is a 1975 Newsweek article "The Cooling World" that suggested cooling "may portend a drastic decline for food production."

"Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend… But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century."

A 1974 Time magazine article Another Ice Age? painted a similarly bleak picture:

"When meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe, they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age."

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http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age ... ediate.htm

You don't see the embedded links to the Newsweek and Time doom-mongering articles above, so for the sake of simplicity I've directly linked below...:
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
http://www.nationalcenter.org/Time-Ice- ... 974-Sm.jpg
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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby taxico » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 6:50 pm



finally figured out how to embed this sucker...
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 8:58 pm

I've always like George Carlin ever since I saw him at The Cellar Door in Washington, DC, back in June of '71 when I worked for H & R Block, there. The guy was awesome and his vocabulary, timing and wit were damned hard to beat. His FM & AM album was recorded there during that time as well. Sad that he has left us. RIP

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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby Brah » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 9:49 pm

taxico wrote:


finally figured out how to embed this sucker...

Can't see it in the low-rent version of the site I'm using
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Postby Pal » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:04 pm

Brah wrote:Can't see it in the low-rent version of the site I'm using
That's odd! Which low rent version are you using?

I can see it in prosilver too:
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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby Brah » Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:48 pm

Pal wrote:
Brah wrote:Can't see it in the low-rent version of the site I'm using
That's odd! Which low rent version are you using?

prosilver / FF 25.0.1

blocking Facebook.net, googlesyndication.com, google-analytics.com, googletagservice.com
I can see it in prosilver too:
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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby NotNewbie » Wed, 12 Nov 2014 2:07 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
No question about that... the question is... will people still be hanging around?

You aint seen nothing yet, and I fear for my grandchild.


If the conditions are there, we the human race may someday, just maybe, disappear like the dinosaurs and give way to new life forms? T'is the way of nature. Yes, no?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 12 Nov 2014 7:06 am

NotNewbie wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
No question about that... the question is... will people still be hanging around?

You aint seen nothing yet, and I fear for my grandchild.


If the conditions are there, we the human race may someday, just maybe, disappear like the dinosaurs and give way to new life forms? T'is the way of nature. Yes, no?


Somebody said, "Remove all the insects from earth and within 50 years mankind will disappear. Remove all humans from earth and in 50 years it will revert to its natural condition."

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Re: E-Cigs banned?

Postby nakatago » Wed, 12 Nov 2014 7:39 am

JR8 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:Your 'evidence' of vineyards in the north during Roman times as contra-indicating global warming is silly and irrelevant to the challenges at hand... I had thought you better educated and more rational than that.


Ah, a signed-up zealot I see ;)



FFS, can you please debate your points without calling the other party names?! Whenever someone raises a left-wing point, you always assign them names.

I disagree with SMS' political views but at least he only calls the Democrats names*.

And don't get me started on how you assign everything you don't agree with politicized. Again, I don't agree with SMS's views on issues but at least he doesn't assign politics as the reason for the other party's views. That's equivalent to calling someone names.

*calling politicians names is fair game.

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Postby nakatago » Wed, 12 Nov 2014 7:50 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I remember well, when I was a child in elementary school about the harbingers of bad news about the dawning of a new Ice Age. We had some doosey's of some winters for around a decade but we are still waiting for the New Ice Age that all the scientists were sure their data predicted. I suppose what will be will be. Gaia will take care of it her way, as she had done so many times before. :-|


Science builds on experience. Just because they have been wrong then, it doesn't mean they haven't learned from that. Also, as time goes on, more knowledge (and developed computing technology) comes in and enable scientists build better models and hence, make better predictions.

Arguing that scientists were wrong decades ago is moot.


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