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Postby Addadude » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:23 pm

Wd40 wrote:Just because there are hordes of particular nationality in MNCs doesn't mean they have been hired by ignoring locals.

Its like there are hordes of Bangladeshi cleaners in HDB blocks, doesn't mean they were hired by disadvantaging Singaporeans.

You see these same nationalities in abundance in MNCs in top cities anywhere in the world. Go to Microsoft in Redmond and see for yourself.

http://redmond.patch.com/groups/politic ... 9474ad98b8


The examples I'm talking about are where a preference for a particular nationality has been clearly expressed despite the fact that there are equally talented locals available to do the job.

And I'm not just talking about our favourite 'sub-continent' nationality.

I'm talking about bosses from the 'Peens', Oz and the UK blatantly giving unfair preference to their own nationalities.
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Postby JR8 » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:53 pm

Barnsley wrote:Perception often trumps reality


Often when it comes to politics.

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Postby Barnsley » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 1:04 pm

JR8 wrote:
Barnsley wrote:Perception often trumps reality


Often when it comes to politics.


Correct :D
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Postby Barnsley » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 1:08 pm

Addadude wrote:[The examples I'm talking about are where a preference for a particular nationality has been clearly expressed despite the fact that there are equally talented locals available to do the job.

And I'm not just talking about our favourite 'sub-continent' nationality.

I'm talking about bosses from the 'Peens', Oz and the UK blatantly giving unfair preference to their own nationalities.


It was pretty obvious you were on about all nationalities, however WD40 has an Indian obsession methinks ....
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Postby Addadude » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 1:36 pm

Barnsley wrote:It was pretty obvious you were on about all nationalities, however WD40 has an Indian obsession methinks ....


Well in all fairness, we usually are referring to that 'sub-continent' in other threads here!
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Postby the lynx » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 2:51 pm

Barnsley wrote:
Addadude wrote:[The examples I'm talking about are where a preference for a particular nationality has been clearly expressed despite the fact that there are equally talented locals available to do the job.

And I'm not just talking about our favourite 'sub-continent' nationality.

I'm talking about bosses from the 'Peens', Oz and the UK blatantly giving unfair preference to their own nationalities.


It was pretty obvious you were on about all nationalities, however WD40 has an Indian obsession methinks ....


You will have to excuse Wd40, sometimes his opinions revolve around his Indian world. :P

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Postby Wd40 » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 2:55 pm

True, but in this particular instance, I was referring not just to Indians, but Filipinos and PRCs as well.

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Postby AndrewV » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 3:56 pm

Addadude wrote:The examples I'm talking about are where a preference for a particular nationality has been clearly expressed despite the fact that there are equally talented locals available to do the job.

And I'm not just talking about our favourite 'sub-continent' nationality.

I'm talking about bosses from the 'Peens', Oz and the UK blatantly giving unfair preference to their own nationalities.


This is exactly what the government is trying to avoid. I have seen situations in certain companies where practically all the people in the team were from the same batch from the manager's university days. I was able to see first hand the capabilities of these individuals and I was able to ascertain with a high degree of certainty that they were not hired for their skills. The roles were further for a very commoditized skill for which there would have been several locals who would have been readily signed up. Mind you these are not low paying jobs, they were in the 7K+ range per month (ok, possibly low by this forums standard :lol: )

The government should be mindful to let the skilled ones through, but such lackey focused hiring mentality needs to be stopped.

Another thing I have noticed is that the good ones usually are comfortable managing multi-cultural teams and are able to drive the team forward collectively, the not-so-good ones (to be polite) find this much tougher and therefore prefer to bring in their own kind.

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 4:07 pm

AndrewV wrote:Mind you these are not low paying jobs, they were in the 7K+ range per month (ok, possibly low by this forums standard :lol: )


I'm sorry but I had to laugh at this :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Addadude » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 4:21 pm

the lynx wrote:
AndrewV wrote:Mind you these are not low paying jobs, they were in the 7K+ range per month (ok, possibly low by this forums standard :lol: )


I'm sorry but I had to laugh at this :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yes. I mean 7K+ per month is certainly not possibly low by this forum's standard. It's definitely low, right? :wink:
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Postby rajagainstthemachine » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 5:25 pm

so we all need at least a P1 EP to post here from now on,
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 5:48 pm

Mad Old Man?

Nah. Cantankerous Curmudgeon maybe. :cool:

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Postby Addadude » Wed, 30 Apr 2014 5:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Mad Old Man?

Nah. Cantankerous Curmudgeon maybe. :cool:


How about GOB?

(Grumpy Old Bugger)

:P
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Postby Brah » Mon, 19 May 2014 9:12 pm

Seen this?

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/05 ... ncreasing/

"Our total foreign workforce increased by 123,700 between Dec 2011 to Dec 2013 – that’s more than 60,000 each year."

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Postby AngMoG » Tue, 20 May 2014 9:51 am

Brah wrote:Seen this?

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/05 ... ncreasing/

"Our total foreign workforce increased by 123,700 between Dec 2011 to Dec 2013 – that’s more than 60,000 each year."



Yeah... they're keeping EP steady, but no employers are just maximizing their SP quotas. Not sure if the hope was that people would be happy enough with just the EP jobs (aka higher-paying jobs) being more for locals? There's some serious imbalance in the economy in SG - that is not going to fix it.


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