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Postby taxico » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:21 pm

WoShiFate wrote:
the lynx wrote:From what you have mentioned above:

So you don't have friends in Malaysia, you have your friends in Singapore, whom you will miss dearly if you have to leave...

And at the age of 20, you have decided that Singapore will never ever be in your path...


...regarding about why I'm certain is that my future will not be in Singapore is that you can say that I have a future secured in M'sia already...


it's too earlier to say that you'll never need to step into singapore for work in future, ESPECIALLY if your "future secured in malaysia..."

farther afield, possibly. rich beyond belief, definitely maybe.

just make sure you're making the right decision, because things can change when you least expect it. you can't come back later with an apology letter asking to volunteer for NS in expectations that all things will be squared.

if i could change decisions i've made as a young man... i would. my youthful confidence seem more like folly in retrospect.

if you choose to not complete NS, make sure you don't look back. ever.
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Postby WoShiFate » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:46 pm

taxico wrote:
WoShiFate wrote:
the lynx wrote:From what you have mentioned above:

So you don't have friends in Malaysia, you have your friends in Singapore, whom you will miss dearly if you have to leave...

And at the age of 20, you have decided that Singapore will never ever be in your path...


...regarding about why I'm certain is that my future will not be in Singapore is that you can say that I have a future secured in M'sia already...


it's too earlier to say that you'll never need to step into singapore for work in future, ESPECIALLY if your "future secured in malaysia..."

farther afield, possibly. rich beyond belief, definitely maybe.

just make sure you're making the right decision, because things can change when you least expect it. you can't come back later with an apology letter asking to volunteer for NS in expectations that all things will be squared.

if i could change decisions i've made as a young man... i would. my youthful confidence seem more like folly in retrospect.

if you choose to not complete NS, make sure you don't look back. ever.

That's why i wanna make sure, if i serve NS but i gave up PR after that, will i still be able to get it back if I choose to do so in the future?

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Postby taxico » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 1:17 pm

WoShiFate wrote:...if i serve NS but i gave up PR after that, will i still be able to get it back if I choose to do so in the future?


without a doubt, the likelihood is higher than if you did not serve NS.

because you probably can't get a work pass in future if you do not serve NS.
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Postby taxico » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 1:21 pm

have a read here:

ftopic64340.html

(i know you think you'll never want/need to return to singapore, but... just read it for fun anyway)
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Postby WoShiFate » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 8:26 pm

taxico wrote:have a read here:

ftopic64340.html

(i know you think you'll never want/need to return to singapore, but... just read it for fun anyway)

Thanks I read that before! I wonder what happened to his family that were all PRs... after he renounced it.

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Postby WoShiFate » Wed, 23 Apr 2014 8:30 pm

taxico wrote:
WoShiFate wrote:...if i serve NS but i gave up PR after that, will i still be able to get it back if I choose to do so in the future?


without a doubt, the likelihood is higher than if you did not serve NS.

because you probably can't get a work pass in future if you do not serve NS.


I'm still pretty scared cause I realise the law regarding PR renouncing isn't very transparent? I called ICA b4 regarding the issue of whether me giving up PR will affect my parents' PR status. The reply that was given to me is that it will not have any effect on my parents' status but from the replies of the forum here, there seems to be the possibility of having an impact of my parents' status...

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Postby taxico » Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:12 am

i'm not going to re-read this thread and ask: why can't you serve 2 years of NS?

(2 month reduction if you get gold/silver for NAPFA! 22 months!)

when i was your age, i thought about not serving too.

i arranged to be enlisted the same year i turned 18 even though i could have delayed it for a few more years - no point putting off the inevitable. i timed it so i could head back to school without wasting too much time when it was over.

like everyone else i hated it initially, but like most of them i got used to it.

it was 2.5 years during my time but i met many many people who completed diplomas, advanced diplomas and other various certifications with their time. we're talking about people much older than me with only primary school certificate (some times not even), N/O level drop outs, and poly/JC drop outs. most were NSFs that got disciplined through NS and were encouraged by their bosses.

it's not entirely a waste of time in the sense that it's not the end of life as you know it...
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 24 Apr 2014 6:51 am

In fact, he just might grow up a wee bit. Who would of guessed? :o

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Postby WoShiFate » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:53 am

taxico wrote:i'm not going to re-read this thread and ask: why can't you serve 2 years of NS?

(2 month reduction if you get gold/silver for NAPFA! 22 months!)

when i was your age, i thought about not serving too.

i arranged to be enlisted the same year i turned 18 even though i could have delayed it for a few more years - no point putting off the inevitable. i timed it so i could head back to school without wasting too much time when it was over.

like everyone else i hated it initially, but like most of them i got used to it.

it was 2.5 years during my time but i met many many people who completed diplomas, advanced diplomas and other various certifications with their time. we're talking about people much older than me with only primary school certificate (some times not even), N/O level drop outs, and poly/JC drop outs. most were NSFs that got disciplined through NS and were encouraged by their bosses.



it's not entirely a waste of time in the sense that it's not the end of life as you know it...


Ok! Thanks a lot for your insight! Appreciate it!

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Postby WoShiFate » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:55 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:In fact, he just might grow up a wee bit. Who would of guessed? :o

WOW! Best reply! Expected from a MOD :o Thanks!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 7:02 am

You didn't hear it from a Mod.

See. Exactly what I was talkin' about. Did I sign off as Mod? Was my mod mode in Blue print? Oh, you don't know what I'm talkin' about? Mods here are regular posters with regular attitudes and ideas. We only put on the moderator caps when necessary and then we either sign off with Moderator or use a different colour typeface. Once again. rinse, repeat.

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Postby WoShiFate » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 8:51 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:You didn't hear it from a Mod.

See. Exactly what I was talkin' about. Did I sign off as Mod? Was my mod mode in Blue print? Oh, you don't know what I'm talkin' about? Mods here are regular posters with regular attitudes and ideas. We only put on the moderator caps when necessary and then we either sign off with Moderator or use a different colour typeface. Once again. rinse, repeat.

Well you obviously don't get the sarcasm:P Don't get so angsty dude!

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Postby Mad Scientist » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 1:43 pm

WoShiFate wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:You didn't hear it from a Mod.

See. Exactly what I was talkin' about. Did I sign off as Mod? Was my mod mode in Blue print? Oh, you don't know what I'm talkin' about? Mods here are regular posters with regular attitudes and ideas. We only put on the moderator caps when necessary and then we either sign off with Moderator or use a different colour typeface. Once again. rinse, repeat.

Well you obviously don't get the sarcasm:P Don't get so angsty dude!


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Postby Strong Eagle » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 9:28 pm

Mate, you want to shoot yourself in the foot, then have at it. Give up your PR. Run away from NS.

You say, "I'm certain is that my future will not be in Singapore" but you have no measure of certainty of this at all.

Malaysia is becoming ever more globalized. Tell me, what are you going to do when your Malaysian employer wants to send you to Singapore for a business conference, or to meet with a client, or to interview a supplier?

What are you going to do if you employer wants to transfer you to their Singapore office?

What are you going to do when your employer's airline of choice stops in Singapore before your final destination?

What are you going to do if friends or family want to come to Singapore for a concert, wedding, or other event?

You think that Singapore will just deny you an EP and that's the end of it? They may simply well refuse you entry for any reason. They can do that. They have done that.

Do you want to take that risk?

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Postby WoShiFate » Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:56 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:Mate, you want to shoot yourself in the foot, then have at it. Give up your PR. Run away from NS.

You say, "I'm certain is that my future will not be in Singapore" but you have no measure of certainty of this at all.

Malaysia is becoming ever more globalized. Tell me, what are you going to do when your Malaysian employer wants to send you to Singapore for a business conference, or to meet with a client, or to interview a supplier?

What are you going to do if you employer wants to transfer you to their Singapore office?

What are you going to do when your employer's airline of choice stops in Singapore before your final destination?

What are you going to do if friends or family want to come to Singapore for a concert, wedding, or other event?

You think that Singapore will just deny you an EP and that's the end of it? They may simply well refuse you entry for any reason. They can do that. They have done that.

Do you want to take that risk?


So you meant that if I renounced PR I will get bar from singapore? Cause when I spoke to the ICA helpline, the CSO didn't mention that. Then let's say after I served NS, then my PR get revoked or renounced. Will your stated scenario still occur?


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