1. No.vnwlim wrote:Hi
I have just received news that my son at 13 has been declined deferment from NS till the age of 21 years.
My son and 2 other daughters were born in UK. They only travel to Singapore for a few weeks in their life so far. I can't see how he can be loyal to Singapore and defend Singapore as he has not live there at all. Just imaging all Singapore Chinese need to serve in China's army in order to call "Chinese"! (Not perfect example, but hope you understand the sentiment).
There is no reason stated for the refusal. Judging from the questions in the form, they want to find out whether he has enjoyed any benefits in Singapore. The answer is no. I wonder the reason for refusal is because we have a HDB flat in Singapore and the rest of the family still holding Singapore IC and passport? We have live in UK since 1991 and already PR in UK, so we have no problem getting UK citizenship and passport if needed.
I would appreciate if anyone can share your experience if your situation is similar to ours and need to know what to do next in particular:
1. Will it be useful if we go back to Singapore and see our MP to ask him/her to help us to write a letter to appeal? Any success story to share?
2. If we apply for Exit Permit, I don't think we are able to come out with $75,000 bond as we are working class people (in order to apply for 2 years or more Exit Permit). Any alternative beside applying 3 months every time? Can we use our HDB flat as security as it worth $200K without mortgage.
3. IF we apply for Exit Permit for him, is there any chance he can get Exit Permit till 21 as it is normal for him to finish university after A level. If he then renounce at 21, do you think the bond will be lose (assuming we can find the money somewhere for the bond)?
4. If the whole family renounce Singapore Citizenship now and sell our HDB flat, it is too late and will it help during appeal?
5. He just turn 13 in February 2014, when is the latest he need to apply Exit Permit without consider late?
Thanks in advance for your feedback and suggestion.
simply put - your son HAS to serve NS unless you are willing to give up all ties to singapore (as scientist mentioned above).vnwlim wrote:...I have just received news that my son at 13 has been declined deferment from NS till the age of 21 years...
why apply for the baby bonus? (some might ask - why not?)Telokkurau wrote:Dear all,
My kids are not even born yet. Just want to be very early and prepared.
Situation:
Father: European on Employment pass for less than 2 years.
Mother: Singaporean citizen (no HDB, bit of cash in CPF, would prefer to keep SG citizenship and just get PR in Europe).
Birth: In Singapore. Public/government hospital. Accept baby bonus. Register birth in SG (think I have to) and with European country's embassy.
Kids: will have dual citizenship: Singaporean by birth and of father's country
Near term events: Leave Singapore for good when kids are 7-8 months old. Use passport of father's country to leave. Live in Europe for good.
Medium term: occasionally visit SG on passport of father's country for holidays or visiting relatives
Long term: Do nothing til age 13. Age 13 contact authorities and apply for deferment pending renunciation of SG citizenship and exit permit. Never collect/apply for SG passport/IC. Let the kids make their own decision when they are 18/21.
Anything I am missing?
Should kids avoid visiting Singapore between age 11-21 (travelling on European country passport)?
THANKS
MS - Can the exit permit be renewed again and again for 1 year, 364 days?Mad Scientist wrote:Apply for One Year and 364 days and you would not need to pose any $$ bonds.
Since he turns 13 on Feb, he has 3 months from his birthday to apply for Exit Permit. Apply NOW NOW NOW !!!
You have to renounce your SG citizenship ie and your spouse, children. Meantime stayed outside SG until you have Brit citizenship on hand
DO NOT return to SG for your son until this is sorted
Once sorted, apply for deferment till 21 pending renunciation with copies of family Brit citizenship stamped by Public Notary to Mindef and ICA via snail mail.
Sell your HDB asap . You can withdraw your CPF money once yours and spouse SG renunciation is accepted.
Hold to SG citizenship and you will lose more
Your desire to be loyal to SG but not for your son is a matter of choice but it is not what Gahmen perceive.
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