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Postby x9200 » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:46 pm

the lynx wrote:Zahid Hamidi (like many Malay politicians) have the notoriety of shooting from foot, without studying facts himself beforehand. These politicians have been too comfortable within the local media because they often do not face direct repercussions from their ill-thought comments in public (and the fact that the local media is censored or under direct control of the government.

It would seem they had enough time to learn but they are not learning, are they? Or they simply don't give a ***?

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Postby PNGMK » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:58 pm

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x9200 wrote:Back to the fake passports issue and how to make a deep hole deeper:

Malaysian Home Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi told the Malay Mail Online this week that using Interpol's Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database might have slowed down the process of immigration checks at airport counters.

He said the country's immigration's equipment could not handle the global database of 40.2 million lost passports.

Interpol fired back on Friday, saying the problem cannot be blamed on technology or Interpol.

"Interpol's SLTD database takes just seconds to reveal whether a passport is listed, with recent tests providing results in 0.2 seconds," the international law enforcement agency said in a statement.

"The fact is that the U.S. consults this database more than 230 million times per year; the UK more than 140 million times; the UAE more than 100 million times and Singapore more than 29 million times. Not one of these countries, or indeed any INTERPOL member country, has ever stated that the response time is too slow."

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/28/world ... passports/


Zahid Hamidi (like many Malay politicians) have the notoriety of shooting from foot, without studying facts himself beforehand. These politicians have been too comfortable within the local media because they often do not face direct repercussions from their ill-thought comments in public (and the fact that the local media is censored or under direct control of the government. The fact that many of them are not well-educated and got the positions not by merit (but by birthright and popularity) makes the whole thing worse because they are not well-equipped to carry themselves well in their positions (and of course, to do their actual effing jobs).

Now that this crisis has garnered global attention, they need to be careful that Malaysians are not the only ones who are their audience and that the international media is beyond their control. The whole world is watching (and also laughing at some clowns they have in the cabinet). Any politician worth his salt would have sought clarity on the subject at hand before making a press statement.

Be careful, Zahid. Be careful.


But he's a Datuk!

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Postby the lynx » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 1:00 pm

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the lynx wrote:Zahid Hamidi (like many Malay politicians) have the notoriety of shooting from foot, without studying facts himself beforehand. These politicians have been too comfortable within the local media because they often do not face direct repercussions from their ill-thought comments in public (and the fact that the local media is censored or under direct control of the government.

It would seem they had enough time to learn but they are not learning, are they? Or they simply don't give a ***?


I wouldn't say they simply don't give a ***. It is more like they do not understand the importance of (1) being efficient, (2) being accountable and (3) working hard to get where you want to be.

Zahid Hamidi (and many other Malay politicians) have the best interest of great economy, peace and stability. Frankly, who doesn't? But they don't know how and/or don't want to work hard to get there. So they will take the midway of "I want economy to prosper but seems like it is hard work or the required moves are too radical for my (and my brethren's) comfort, so I think I will just as minimal as I can to get by and suck up as much money and benefits as I can while I'm there."

Going back to MH370 crisis, they hope this thing get resolved as soon as possible but since it is obviously not going the way they'd want it to be, it is easier to blame something else (Interpol) and make excuses for their own inefficiency, while buying time to (hopefully) solve the problem.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 1:16 pm

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But he's a Datuk!


Coffee through nose while trying to contain laughter. :D

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 1:24 pm

the lynx wrote:Going back to MH370 crisis, they hope this thing get resolved as soon as possible but since it is obviously not going the way they'd want it to be, it is easier to blame something else (Interpol) and make excuses for their own inefficiency, while buying time to (hopefully) solve the problem.


Australian authorities have announced their intention to take over the investigation, with the note that all recovered debris is to be taken to Australia.

A clear poke at the incompetence of Malaysian officials, and a clear warning to the Chinese government not to get their own incredibly corrupt/inefficient/bumbling bureaucracy into the game.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/push-to-tak ... z2xJDkOupy

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Postby earthfriendly » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 1:42 pm

Thank you Australia. Western democracry and meritocracy cast its shining rays :cool: .

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Postby the lynx » Sat, 29 Mar 2014 3:27 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
the lynx wrote:Going back to MH370 crisis, they hope this thing get resolved as soon as possible but since it is obviously not going the way they'd want it to be, it is easier to blame something else (Interpol) and make excuses for their own inefficiency, while buying time to (hopefully) solve the problem.


Australian authorities have announced their intention to take over the investigation, with the note that all recovered debris is to be taken to Australia.

A clear poke at the incompetence of Malaysian officials, and a clear warning to the Chinese government not to get their own incredibly corrupt/inefficient/bumbling bureaucracy into the game.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/push-to-tak ... z2xJDkOupy


Good. Better this way. Let the better team handle the game.

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Postby Barnsley » Mon, 31 Mar 2014 3:00 pm

Some Chinese Celebs sticking the boot in now...

Seeking "the truth"... You couldn't make it up.

Wonder when the last time they sought "the truth" from their own Govt.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-celeb ... 20894.html
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Postby rdueej » Mon, 31 Mar 2014 6:14 pm

Barnsley wrote:Some Chinese Celebs sticking the boot in now...

Seeking "the truth"... You couldn't make it up.

Wonder when the last time they sought "the truth" from their own Govt.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-celeb ... 20894.html


if condemning malaysia (not undeservedly) gets you some free publicity, then why not.

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Postby Mexikaner » Tue, 01 Apr 2014 8:53 am

the lynx wrote:
Zahid Hamidi (like many Malay politicians) have the notoriety of shooting from foot, without studying facts himself beforehand. These politicians have been too comfortable within the local media because they often do not face direct repercussions from their ill-thought comments in public (and the fact that the local media is censored or under direct control of the government. The fact that many of them are not well-educated and got the positions not by merit (but by birthright and popularity) makes the whole thing worse because they are not well-equipped to carry themselves well in their positions (and of course, to do their actual effing jobs).

Now that this crisis has garnered global attention, they need to be careful that Malaysians are not the only ones who are their audience and that the international media is beyond their control. The whole world is watching (and also laughing at some clowns they have in the cabinet). Any politician worth his salt would have sought clarity on the subject at hand before making a press statement.

Be careful, Zahid. Be careful.


Could you please share with us your facts? or why do you imply that Mr Zahid is not well-educated and possibly got his position by popularity (which politician doesn't???)
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Postby the lynx » Tue, 01 Apr 2014 9:56 am

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the lynx wrote:
Zahid Hamidi (like many Malay politicians) have the notoriety of shooting from foot, without studying facts himself beforehand. These politicians have been too comfortable within the local media because they often do not face direct repercussions from their ill-thought comments in public (and the fact that the local media is censored or under direct control of the government. The fact that many of them are not well-educated and got the positions not by merit (but by birthright and popularity) makes the whole thing worse because they are not well-equipped to carry themselves well in their positions (and of course, to do their actual effing jobs).

Now that this crisis has garnered global attention, they need to be careful that Malaysians are not the only ones who are their audience and that the international media is beyond their control. The whole world is watching (and also laughing at some clowns they have in the cabinet). Any politician worth his salt would have sought clarity on the subject at hand before making a press statement.

Be careful, Zahid. Be careful.


Could you please share with us your facts? or why do you imply that Mr Zahid is not well-educated and possibly got his position by popularity (which politician doesn't???)


To answer your question about popularity, let me start about the political background of Malaysia. I will have to assume you have yet to know.

UMNO (United Malays National Organisation) which holds more than 50% of the cabinet minister positions, is the largest constituent parties under Barisan Nasional party. Membership of the Malays form that constituent party. Candidacy to positions within UMNO is by in-party votes and we all know that voting is always about how popular you and your ideas are with the party members (so pro-Malay ideas are, evidently, much more popular than pro-unity ideas within UMNO). Subsequently, support from constituent party also enables one to contest for general election. Since it is no longer mandatory for one to be a resident of that state to contest for that particular seat, a party can choose to throw any popular candidate to that zone to secure that seat.

So popularity plays. And in UMNO case, birthright as well.

Back to the education part, I tried looking for the authoritative source of information but apparently my search ended in a 404 situation. Since you highlighted my parts in bold, you'd realise that I said 'many' but not 'all'. Here is the closest I can give you but I can't vouch for the details.

http://arminbaniaz.com/2009/12/academic-background-of-malaysian.html

While some of them have good credentials (reading from the list) having studied abroad (mostly in UK), the others have local degrees. I'm not sure if you are aware but local Malaysian universities are not good in general (not all and I'm very lucky to be enrolled to the least bad of all, and under only a couple of good professors). And the rankings have been going down as the backward supremacist policies reversed the general progress of the universities. So for me and many people abreast with education policy, a local degree in current times isn't much. While I'm glad even the PM has a degree from UK, it is alarming to note that others that do are mostly Malays. In Malaysia, Malay-first policy affects education benefits too and prospective students are assessed if they are eligible for scholarships for education abroad by their race first, then meritocracy. A 4.0 non-Malay student will have to yield to a 3.33 Malay student for a spot to study medicine in say, Australia (example from 2009). So it is sad to say that some of them didn't even work hard to be placed in a good school, let alone to actually study. While I'm not including Hamidi specifically in this case, I'm not excluding the rest of them too.

So race-based policy applies to education too. Not all who gets to study in good schools are truly educated. And hence, the products are just people who have the paper certificates but without skills required to make it work.

What we have and what you see now is the result of all these working in the background for decades. It is easy to judge on the surface because it is hard to delve into issues deeper inside that. You either have to live in it and experience it to understand it, or read a lot.

http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2013/12/23/malaysia-misses-a-lesson-on-economic-development/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Malaysia

Hope that helps to enlighten you.

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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:27 am

rdueej wrote:
Barnsley wrote:Some Chinese Celebs sticking the boot in now...

Seeking "the truth"... You couldn't make it up.

Wonder when the last time they sought "the truth" from their own Govt.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-celeb ... 20894.html


if condemning malaysia (not undeservedly) gets you some free publicity, then why not.


I've been thinking about this phenomenon a lot (I worked in China for 3 years). The way I see it is that it is verboten to criticise their own government so when there's a chance to yell and scream at a foreign government - well they go for it with no fear of retaliation. What shocks me (but shouldn't because I saw this every day for 3 years) is the complete lack of rationale and logic in some of the arguments put forward by the Chinese. I guess they've yet to recover from the massive purge of their educated classes.

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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:28 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
the lynx wrote:Going back to MH370 crisis, they hope this thing get resolved as soon as possible but since it is obviously not going the way they'd want it to be, it is easier to blame something else (Interpol) and make excuses for their own inefficiency, while buying time to (hopefully) solve the problem.


Australian authorities have announced their intention to take over the investigation, with the note that all recovered debris is to be taken to Australia.

A clear poke at the incompetence of Malaysian officials, and a clear warning to the Chinese government not to get their own incredibly corrupt/inefficient/bumbling bureaucracy into the game.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/push-to-tak ... z2xJDkOupy


Also a subtle push back on the Chinese PLA/PLN push into the Indian ocean.

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Postby Mexikaner » Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:50 am

Thank you Lynx for your enlightening information...

the lynx wrote:
What we have and what you see now is the result of all these working in the background for decades. It is easy to judge on the surface because it is hard to delve into issues deeper inside that. You either have to live in it and experience it to understand it, or read a lot.

Hope that helps to enlighten you.


I think I could speak from my own experience, being born and raised in Mexico...quite similar politics IMO
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Postby rdueej » Tue, 01 Apr 2014 6:29 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:
the lynx wrote:Going back to MH370 crisis, they hope this thing get resolved as soon as possible but since it is obviously not going the way they'd want it to be, it is easier to blame something else (Interpol) and make excuses for their own inefficiency, while buying time to (hopefully) solve the problem.


Australian authorities have announced their intention to take over the investigation, with the note that all recovered debris is to be taken to Australia.

A clear poke at the incompetence of Malaysian officials, and a clear warning to the Chinese government not to get their own incredibly corrupt/inefficient/bumbling bureaucracy into the game.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/push-to-tak ... z2xJDkOupy


Also a subtle push back on the Chinese PLA/PLN push into the Indian ocean.


I would not be surprised if this event is used as one of the reasons for an increased military presence in the region. This Pacific theatre is the major area of contention between China and the west.


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