The amount I saw was ~$10 Million USD per commercial jet. I'm really not sure how many commercial jets are in service (a 2007 forum thread on airliners.net put the number just a few shy of 20k), but I imagine the cost would be astronomical. Going by that number from 2007 we're talking $200 Billion USD. How often do planes just vanish again? Even in the US (lawsuit capital of the world), if the Airline intentionally put a drunk pilot on the plane and forced the passengers on at gunpoint the settlement would not be but a small fraction of that amount.x9200 wrote:
Costs of fitting or retrofitting can be relatively small comparing to the compensation costs ruled legally to be paid to the families.
do some look up on Rolls Royce power by the hour program. all RR engines on power by the hour include HEMS, if I recall.zzm9980 wrote:
And don't forget where these pings every is talking about came from. They are from an automated system that's supposed to upload engine performance data to Rolls Royce. But Malaysian Air couldn't even be bothered to pay for that subscription, so all they have are the "pings" of the engines connecting to their upstream service but not sending the data.
A long haul jet generates gross revenue of circa. US$300-500k per day. A fleet of 40 or so being pulled out of service is a huge loss of earnings.zzm9980 wrote:Cost vs benefit. How many planes just "get lost" to warrant the billions of dollars globally this retrofit would cost?BillyB wrote:
These planes were originally designed 20ish years ago and despite technology progressing i suspect that taking aircraft out of service to retrofit technology, despite the clear benefits, is something that is met with resistance.
ecureilx wrote:do some look up on Rolls Royce power by the hour program. all RR engines on power by the hour include HEMS, if I recall.zzm9980 wrote:
And don't forget where these pings every is talking about came from. They are from an automated system that's supposed to upload engine performance data to Rolls Royce. But Malaysian Air couldn't even be bothered to pay for that subscription, so all they have are the "pings" of the engines connecting to their upstream service but not sending the data.
nothing to do with MH being stingy I am sure
Bolded by me.WASHINGTON/PARIS, March 13 (Reuters) - Communications satellites picked up faint electronic pulses from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 after it went missing on Saturday, but the signals gave no information about where the stray jet was heading and little else about its fate, two sources close to the investigation said on Thursday.
The "pings" indicated that the aircraft's maintenance troubleshooting systems were switched on and ready to communicate with satellites as needed. But no data links were opened because the companies involved had not subscribed to that level of service from the satellite operator, the sources said.
x9200 wrote:Sorry, I got lost, this $10million is for what?zzm9980 wrote:The amount I saw was ~$10 Million USD per commercial jet. I'm really not
I can't find the article that had this; I believe it was a total cost to the airlines though. See BillyB's comment above about lost revenue.zzm9980 wrote:The amount I saw was ~$10 Million USD per commercial jet.x9200 wrote:
Costs of fitting or retrofitting can be relatively small comparing to the compensation costs ruled legally to be paid to the families.
Thing is, airplanes always have to be taken out of service for mandatory maintenance, inspections, and other mandated procedures. It's not like they'd put the aircraft on the ground just for this, but it would become part of the overall maintenance, just as doing things like checking every bolt on every electrical connection in the electrics room is. Would not add that much time to replace equipment.zzm9980 wrote:x9200 wrote:Sorry, I got lost, this $10million is for what?zzm9980 wrote:The amount I saw was ~$10 Million USD per commercial jet. I'm really notI can't find the article that had this; I believe it was a total cost to the airlines though. See BillyB's comment above about lost revenue.zzm9980 wrote:The amount I saw was ~$10 Million USD per commercial jet.x9200 wrote:
Costs of fitting or retrofitting can be relatively small comparing to the compensation costs ruled legally to be paid to the families.
MD was acquired by Boeing in a $13 BILLION stock swap. $80 million would not have killed this company. Bad designs, and bad bets in the military market doomed this company.x9200 wrote:The case I mentioned before that eventually lead to the disappearance of the company Mcdonald Douglas, retrofitting - $40 million, compensations and related - $80 million, as of the money of late 70s. This numbers were per case, per company (all their jets) and the problem was in bad design of the cargo door.
Zahid Hamidi (like many Malay politicians) have the notoriety of shooting from foot, without studying facts himself beforehand. These politicians have been too comfortable within the local media because they often do not face direct repercussions from their ill-thought comments in public (and the fact that the local media is censored or under direct control of the government. The fact that many of them are not well-educated and got the positions not by merit (but by birthright and popularity) makes the whole thing worse because they are not well-equipped to carry themselves well in their positions (and of course, to do their actual effing jobs).x9200 wrote:Back to the fake passports issue and how to make a deep hole deeper:
Malaysian Home Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi told the Malay Mail Online this week that using Interpol's Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database might have slowed down the process of immigration checks at airport counters.
He said the country's immigration's equipment could not handle the global database of 40.2 million lost passports.
Interpol fired back on Friday, saying the problem cannot be blamed on technology or Interpol.
"Interpol's SLTD database takes just seconds to reveal whether a passport is listed, with recent tests providing results in 0.2 seconds," the international law enforcement agency said in a statement.
"The fact is that the U.S. consults this database more than 230 million times per year; the UK more than 140 million times; the UAE more than 100 million times and Singapore more than 29 million times. Not one of these countries, or indeed any INTERPOL member country, has ever stated that the response time is too slow."
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/28/world ... passports/
then again MDs products are still rolling ... C17, Apache, F 15 ... but they couldStrong Eagle wrote:
MD was acquired by Boeing in a $13 BILLION stock swap. $80 million would not have killed this company. Bad designs, and bad bets in the military market doomed this company.
PS: I hated the DC9 and still hate the MD80 with the stinking engines 8 inches from your ears when you get stuck in the back of the plane.
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