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Post by zzm9980 » Thu, 06 Mar 2014 2:14 pm

QRM wrote:Am I missing something here? Just open an HSBC bank account here and have one in the UK and few click of the mouse and the wonga is transferred to the UK. With the global view online account you can see all the global accounts? (though I am a tad suspicious of letting one bank be able to see all your global assets)

Only for HSBC Premier. The account balance minimums required for that tend to be high enough that if you can maintain them you're not worried about small wire transfer fees: ~S$200k. If you have that, you should be putting it elsewhere than an HSBC account and making significantly better returns so that the occasional wire transfer fee is inconsequential. Or, just leave $50k parked in the UK to cover costs.

Most posters here use Citibank in both locations. They don't have very high minimum balance requirements, something like $5k I think. It's instant and a "fair" forex rate outbound from SG. UK or US back has pretty low transfer limits. If it's just a few thousand a month though the exchange is fine.

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Post by Beeroclock » Thu, 06 Mar 2014 4:09 pm

singapore eagle wrote:I'm not sure the ukforex rates are all that. Their website is quoting:

2.1436 (sell) 2.0942 (buy)

So those DBS numbers look pretty good. Just check that they don't slap you with any fees.
Am surprised by the local bank rates but wonder what rate you actually get if you do a funds transfer to UK bank account. Is this same rate really applicable, or this is for changing cash here locally ? The UK forex buy/sell spread is in line with what I said earlier at approx 1% margin versus the mid point. When I was in UK recently and used my DBS credit card to spend GBP, the exchange rate I got on my statement had approx. 3% margin on it versus the market level on that day, nothing like the narrow buy/sell numbers shown here.

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Post by Beeroclock » Thu, 06 Mar 2014 4:28 pm

Useful website comparing the various online/phone forex transfer companies : www.fxcompared.com

I just ran for SGD to GBP for $10000 transfer, ukforex was equal lowest rate of the 9 companies they had on comparison.

These companies all exist by undercutting traditional banks.

Singapore eagle - I'd be very surprised if these rates apply to funds transfer, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I will try calling DBS myself next time I'm moving money and ask them for a live quote and make a test case of it.

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Post by Strong Eagle » Thu, 06 Mar 2014 11:28 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
ruberella wrote:@ Beeroclock

If I set up a usual bank account with DBS or someone can I still use Ukforex as the means to transfer the money?

IE have the bank account just for salary and expenses and ukforex for transfers?

Thanks, again!
I am unaware of any Singapore bank that will permit direct withdrawals from a checking account by a forex company for transfer elsewhere. I may be wrong... and... when I looked into this as a means of transferring funds to the USA, the hangup was the inability to have Singapore banks make the transfer.

Maybe someone else has figured out how to do this?
I just logged into my account at Stan Chart and realized that I can set up international money transfers payable in either Singapore dollars or the receiving currency.

I also dropped over to XE.com and it appears that if I were to create an account with them, I'd get the necessary SWIFT information to be able to complete setting up an online transfer.

I don't need to do this... just pointing out that maybe things have changed.

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Post by singapore eagle » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 12:28 am

Beeroclock wrote:Singapore eagle - I'd be very surprised if these rates apply to funds transfer, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I will try calling DBS myself next time I'm moving money and ask them for a live quote and make a test case of it.
The rates that I quote above are for telegraphic (i.e. electronic) transfers. For me, I actually tend to exchange the other way around - I bring money from the UK in £ into my sterling account at OCBC and then I exchange it into S$.

The rates are definitely 'real'. You just have to check there are no hidden fees with DBS/UOB (there aren't with OCBC).

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Post by Beeroclock » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 9:42 am

singapore eagle wrote:
Beeroclock wrote:Singapore eagle - I'd be very surprised if these rates apply to funds transfer, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I will try calling DBS myself next time I'm moving money and ask them for a live quote and make a test case of it.
The rates that I quote above are for telegraphic (i.e. electronic) transfers. For me, I actually tend to exchange the other way around - I bring money from the UK in £ into my sterling account at OCBC and then I exchange it into S$.

The rates are definitely 'real'. You just have to check there are no hidden fees with DBS/UOB (there aren't with OCBC).
Thanks I'll look into this and see if it can work for my situation

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Post by Beeroclock » Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:41 am

Some feedback as I just did a comparison ozforex vs DBS, both live online quotes including fees etc. For my usual transaction scenario, ozforex worked out SG$30 better than DBS. For OP's case, ozforex was SG$8 better. This is assuming no hidden costs on the TT, which I don't know as I didn't go ahead with the quote. While the DBS TT rate is same or better on the surface, after adjusting for telex/cable and handling fee, ozforex goes slightly in front. But there's not much in it at all.

Thanks Singapore Eagle for opening my eyes to the TT capability, I didn't even know it was there in my online banking !

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Post by stiwi » Sun, 07 Sep 2014 2:55 am

The best spreads in SG have surprisingly Bank of China:
http://www.bankofchina.com/sg/bocinfo/b ... 61730.html
Surprisingly as well they have Multi Currency Account similar to DBS MCA & HSBC MCA.

Second best for FX is DBS.
Nothing will beat the Arcade though and the good thing about DBS is that you can withdraw foreign currency free of charge (as well as SCB World Partner).

Unless you are able to use Citi Global Transfer or HSCB Global Transfer, the cheapest for international TT is SCB if you apply for World Partner status (all fees waived except cable fees & intermediary fees). IME when I send payments to IBAN accounts, these cable fees are also not applicable but intermediary charges will apply. These are unknown (usually around S$40-50 in my experience), however you can opt for SCB OUR (sender to cover all costs) for S$50 to have piece of mind and all charges covered, including any possible charges by beneficiary bank for incoming TT. Second best for TT is DBS, however here guaranteed sender (OUR) fees are uknown.

Be careful with OCBC, if you have to FCY account and wish to make a transfer, you have to either visit a branch or send them a remittance form via post (!). Archaic. They accept online international TT transfers from SGD accounts only.

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Post by zzm9980 » Sun, 07 Sep 2014 5:51 am

The only problem with BOC is the lack of branches and ATMs.

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