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Postby the lynx » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 3:14 pm

Sergei82 wrote:Maybe she wants to have sex with you herself, you've yet to realize that! :D


Dude, you seriously need to get laid...

:lol: :twisted:

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Postby RockyRambo » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 3:16 pm

PNGMK wrote:Mmm...

Ok - I've been a main tenant before and sub-let a room out.

I had a simple rule, "no hookers or drugs".

Of course the first time I was out of town, that rule went out the window. Along with half my moveable furniture. I was awoken at 3am in China by the condo guard calling my phone to ask me; "Mr Smith, why are you throwing your furniture out the window into the pool?". My idiot sub-tenant had brought a hooker in, had a dispute over payment. She (he) had pushed him out of the flat, locked the door and proceeded to trash the place!

So yeah... there are reasons for the main tenant to exercise control... quite probably because they fear losing their bond or their tenancy.


See, the main tenant or anyone for that matter, can come up with any condition before or later. The point is to explicitly state all the conditions on a paper with both parties' consent. Else, what is the point of having an agreement. If things get violated despite that, then one can find the accussed and take actions.

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Postby beppi » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 4:37 pm

RockyRambo wrote:I apologize sincerely for providing the wrong information. She is not the landlord or the landlady. She is just the main tenant who is subletting the house. She has sublet it to me. I have neither communicated nor met with the land lord/ landlady. I have not signed an agreement with the landlord/lady. I have signed an agreement with the main tenant only and that agreeement is between two parties (me and the main tenant).

A tenancy agreement is always between a landlord and a tenant.
You have a tenancy agreement with her, so she is your landlord (or, rather -lady).
That she has another tenancy agreement (in which she is the tenant) with the owner (who is her landlord, but not yours) does not change anything in your situation.
Just follow the house rules or move out. But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!

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Postby Sergei82 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 4:42 pm

the lynx wrote:
Sergei82 wrote:Maybe she wants to have sex with you herself, you've yet to realize that! :D


Dude, you seriously need to get laid...

:lol: :twisted:

All of us do!

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 5:10 pm

beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I apologize sincerely for providing the wrong information. She is not the landlord or the landlady. She is just the main tenant who is subletting the house. She has sublet it to me. I have neither communicated nor met with the land lord/ landlady. I have not signed an agreement with the landlord/lady. I have signed an agreement with the main tenant only and that agreeement is between two parties (me and the main tenant).

A tenancy agreement is always between a landlord and a tenant.

Whatever we call it she may have rights to sublett in a form of agreement between her and the other tenants.

You have a tenancy agreement with her, so she is your landlord (or, rather -lady).
That she has another tenancy agreement (in which she is the tenant) with the owner (who is her landlord, but not yours) does not change anything in your situation.
Just follow the house rules or move out. But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!

Yes, it does not change too much in the OP situation. It is still about the other party (-ties) privacy and ability to control the property the way intended. The difference between the main tenant subletting the property and the owner is within the allowed level of management of the property. Of course if the main tenant has in her TA imposed to allow other tenants guests, then it is a different story, but I doubt she has.

Actually this new development may be even worse for the OP as right now he has one more person to interfere with his plans. Imagine the situation the LL agrees for guests to stay at his flat but the main tenant does not as these are some strangers she never accepted present in the common space and this surely violates her right of peaceful enjoyment of the property.

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Postby RockyRambo » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 5:15 pm

x9200 wrote:
beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I apologize sincerely for providing the wrong information. She is not tthat agreeement is between two parties (me and the main tenant).

A tenancy agreement is always between a landlord and a tenant.

Whatever we call it she may have rights to sublett in a form of agreement between her and the other tenants.
You have a tenancy agreement with her, so she is your landlord (or, rather -lady).
That she has another tenancy agreement (in which she is the tenant) with whining like a child!

space and this surely violates her right of peaceful enjoyment of the property.


Fine by me! Ok, one more thing - my tenancy agreeement doesn't have a stamp on it. I found the below text -

5. Stamp Duty

In Singapore, Tenancy Agreement will need to be stamped by the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore. Only after the Tenancy is stamped then it can be considered a valid contract as evidence in court for any disputes that may arise in the future with your landlord. This is to protect the interest of both parties. The stamp duty is usually borne by the tenant.

Computation of the stamp duty fee:

ONE YEAR LEASE OR LESS

(rental amount x 12)
250 then round up to the nearest dollar

I was never asked to pay a stamp duty. My TA is a word document with signatures of the main tenant and myself. Now, is that valid?

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Postby RockyRambo » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 5:17 pm

beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I...

A tenancy agreement ... But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!


Well, if you're paying 1530 sgd rental per month and someone tells you that it is going to become a jail for you for one long year and you can't do much about it, would you be 'adult' enough to suck it up?

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Postby Sergei82 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 5:18 pm

Valid or invalid... to much noise and you can be booted out in many possible ways.

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Postby x9200 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 5:48 pm

RockyRambo wrote:Fine by me! Ok, one more thing - my tenancy agreeement doesn't have a stamp on it. I found the below text -

5. Stamp Duty

In Singapore, Tenancy Agreement will need to be stamped by the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore. Only after the Tenancy is stamped then it can be considered a valid contract as evidence in court for any disputes that may arise in the future with your landlord. This is to protect the interest of both parties. The stamp duty is usually borne by the tenant.

[..]

I was never asked to pay a stamp duty. My TA is a word document with signatures of the main tenant and myself. Now, is that valid?


As an agreement probably yes, as an evidence to the court - probably not, but how is this going to help you? If you were supposed to pay it and you didn't, it may backfire as there are penalties for not paying it. Besides, think about this as of a technicality - if it comes to worst the LL or the main tenant can pay it any time and have it admissible. It is to make people pay the tax not to nullify the agreement.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 6:43 pm

RockyRambo wrote:
beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I...

A tenancy agreement ... But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!


Well, if you're paying 1530 sgd rental per month and someone tells you that it is going to become a jail for you for one long year and you can't do much about it, would you be 'adult' enough to suck it up?


So your twist changes things...

Sorry if this was covered before, but does your T/A with her (the main tenant) specifically prohibit guests? In such a case, I'd ask to speak with the main land lord. Just realize if you don't have a legal sublet you may be causing yourself all kinds of trouble (such as losing the place).

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Postby Sergei82 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 7:13 pm

Very diminishing situation. Especially when perspective girlfriend comes by. That is why I planned everything ahead. No way to rent a whole unit in your case?

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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 7:19 pm

Sergei82 wrote:Very diminishing situation. Especially when perspective girlfriend comes by. That is why I planned everything ahead. No way to rent a whole unit in your case?


Nice turn of phrase.

IF I were the OP I'd just do what I pleased.

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Postby RockyRambo » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 7:34 pm

zzm9980 wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:
beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I...

A tenancy agreement ... But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!


Well, if you're paying 1530 sgd rental per month and someone tells you that it is going to become a jail for you for one long year and you can't do much about it, would you be 'adult' enough to suck it up?


So your twist changes things...

Sorry if this was covered before, but does your T/A with her (the main tenant) specifically prohibit guests? In such a case, I'd ask to speak with the main land lord. Just realize if you don't have a legal sublet you may be causing yourself all kinds of trouble (such as losing the place).


No, T/A does not explicitly prohibit guests. That is what I am trying to do. The main tenant is acting obnoxiously and has given me an email id to mail to and asked me to wait for 1-2-3 days, God knows! She is not open to discussion on this (of course deliberately). However, as someone pointed out above, it can be made legal anytime by getting a stamp!

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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 7:36 pm

RockyRambo wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:
beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I...

A tenancy agreement ... But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!


Well, if you're paying 1530 sgd rental per month and someone tells you that it is going to become a jail for you for one long year and you can't do much about it, would you be 'adult' enough to suck it up?


So your twist changes things...

Sorry if this was covered before, but does your T/A with her (the main tenant) specifically prohibit guests? In such a case, I'd ask to speak with the main land lord. Just realize if you don't have a legal sublet you may be causing yourself all kinds of trouble (such as losing the place).


No, T/A does not explicitly prohibit guests. That is what I am trying to do. The main tenant is acting obnoxiously and has given me an email id to mail to and asked me to wait for 1-2-3 days, God knows! She is not open to discussion on this (of course deliberately). However, as someone pointed out above, it can be made legal anytime by getting a stamp!


Bring you guest in....
She calls the police.
Police ask what's the problem? Are you legally here?
You show then the lease and poof - problem gone.

Seriously don't be scared of the cops here. They'll not stop your reasonable (not noisy, vulgar, gambling, prostitution) use of the room you rent.

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Postby RockyRambo » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 7:39 pm

PNGMK wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:
zzm9980 wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:
beppi wrote:
RockyRambo wrote:I...

A tenancy agreement ... But for heavens sake stop whining like a child!


Well, if you're paying 1530 sgd rental per month and someone tells you that it is going to become a jail for you for one long year and you can't do much about it, would you be 'adult' enough to suck it up?


So your twist changes things...

Sorry if this was covered before, but does your T/A with her (the main tenant) specifically prohibit guests? In such a case, I'd ask to speak with the main land lord. Just realize if you don't have a legal sublet you may be causing yourself all kinds of trouble (such as losing the place).


No, T/A does not explicitly prohibit guests. That is what I am trying to do. The main tenant is acting obnoxiously and has given me an email id to mail to and asked me to wait for 1-2-3 days, God knows! She is not open to discussion on this (of course deliberately). However, as someone pointed out above, it can be made legal anytime by getting a stamp!


Bring you guest in....
She calls the police.
Police ask what's the problem? Are you legally here?
You show then the lease and poof - problem gone.

Seriously don't be scared of the cops here. They'll not stop your reasonable (not noisy, vulgar, gambling, prostitution) use of the room you rent.


Exactly, that is what I reasoned with her that I am not bringing anyone to have drinks in the open area or throw a party. It is confined to my premises only and that too notifying her beforehand. She doesn't want to listen to these reasonable demands. It is not there in the T/A as well.


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