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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:50 pm

iamneo wrote:Hi
I am not saying that we should have a Chinese only policies. My earlier comments are not really about races. I just saying that if the companies cannot hire Singaporeans, its okay for them to hire foreigners. But it will be even better if the employers can maintain diversity. Hire some foreigners from India, some from the PRC and some from the South east asian countries. Keep the team diversify and multicultural. It will be good for everyone.

In the long run, this may also help employers to avoid unnecessary scrutiny from MOM and it will help to reduce the accusations of discrimination. I came from a country (Malaysia) where discrimination against Minority races are rampant. Compared to that, Singapore is in general a very good and fair country.

I know that Singaporeans are xenophobic but rather then going into the extremes like them, I will prefer to compromise a little and find a middle ground where the system will work and benefit all of us.


What about all HDB cleaners coming from Bangladesh and all bus drivers PRCs? So you plan to have a quota system based on nationality/race in all walks of life? The money changers are all Indians. Maybe you want MAS to regulate that as well? The lawyers are all Indians. May be there is some partiality there as well? Customer service are all Filipinos because Filipinos are really friendly and patient when serving customers or do you think there is partiality there?

Every 7-11 store I see an Indian in the cashier place. I wonder why. There should be diversity here as well, no?

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Postby iamneo » Mon, 03 Feb 2014 1:44 pm

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iamneo wrote:Hi
I am not saying that we should have a Chinese only policies. My earlier comments are not really about races. I just saying that if the companies cannot hire Singaporeans, its okay for them to hire foreigners. But it will be even better if the employers can maintain diversity. Hire some foreigners from India, some from the PRC and some from the South east asian countries. Keep the team diversify and multicultural. It will be good for everyone.

In the long run, this may also help employers to avoid unnecessary scrutiny from MOM and it will help to reduce the accusations of discrimination. I came from a country (Malaysia) where discrimination against Minority races are rampant. Compared to that, Singapore is in general a very good and fair country.

I know that Singaporeans are xenophobic but rather then going into the extremes like them, I will prefer to compromise a little and find a middle ground where the system will work and benefit all of us.


What about all HDB cleaners coming from Bangladesh and all bus drivers PRCs? So you plan to have a quota system based on nationality/race in all walks of life? The money changers are all Indians. Maybe you want MAS to regulate that as well? The lawyers are all Indians. May be there is some partiality there as well? Customer service are all Filipinos because Filipinos are really friendly and patient when serving customers or do you think there is partiality there?

Every 7-11 store I see an Indian in the cashier place. I wonder why. There should be diversity here as well, no?


Well I cannot comment on all the different industries but I know that it is possible to implement diversity but companies are always taking the easy way out. After the Chinese bus drivers riot, the government and bus companies have already comitted to reduce their intake of Chinese. In the service sector, they are opening up to foreigners from Vietnam and ROC Taiwan. Even in the construction industry, companies are now trying to avoid India and China by securing resources from Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Philippines. Part of the reason of creating a new law school in Singapore is to groom more Singaporeans lawyers. Recently, the government has also started various programmes to attract overseas Singaporeans talents like doctors, dentist, researchers and engineers back to Singapore.

Diversity is a good thing and I supported these Singaporean initiatives and policies. I wish the Malaysian government can do the same but they are too obsessed with not doing anything because its too painful for them to change. Changes are not always bad. For India to be successful they will also need to move away from IT and to develop comparable capabilities in other areas.

Looking back at history, Singapore also knows that it cannot be overly dependent on any countries. They cannot be dependent on Malaysia for water; they cannot depend on Indian to run the IT industries or the Chinese for engineering and research. That is the reason why they wanted an army even though singapore is just a tiny island.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 03 Feb 2014 8:21 pm

Good try, I'll give you that. You've swallowed the pap, hook, line & sinker. But most new PRs do. Until they've been here a while and find out how the papists screw over the PRs more an more each year. But, no fear, you'll make the ideal citizen here.

Small point of correction on the reason for increasing the numbers of places for law students here......

75% quit practice within 10 years. That's the real reason.

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Postby Wd40 » Tue, 04 Feb 2014 10:16 am

iamneo, there is another person on this forum called iamsen. He is also a local. Are you both brothers by any chance?

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Postby iamneo » Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:37 am

Wd40 wrote:iamneo, there is another person on this forum called iamsen. He is also a local. Are you both brothers by any chance?


Nope but even as a PR, I still agreed and support the PAP government on the bigger picture although their recent HDB policies hurts me too. I have long term plans to stay in Singapore and I will consider citizenship when the time is right.

I am still new to the forum and I am not sure about your situation. Times have changed, nowadays PR in Singapore is just an upgraded EP for those people who are committed to stay in Singapore for the long term with citizenship in mind.

If you do not belong to this group then I will suggest you stay away from PR because you will end up frustrating yourself and in the long term it will probably force the government to do even more to filter away these half hearted immigrants. This will just end up hurting everyone including those who really want to be a part this country.
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Postby iamneo » Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:49 am

In my previous posts, I spoke about NCS and diversity but I am not trying to target Indians. In the new FCF, MOM will scrutinize companies and one way of doing that is to compare companies against benchmarked companies of similar nature and business model. According to Garnter, NCS is Singapore largest IT service provider and it is a singaporean owned company. I believe MOM will try to compare companies like Infosys, HCL and Wipro against NCS. As you have mentioned, NCS does not have many Singaporeans but they do employ foreigners from a lot of different nationalities. Perhaps this diverse distribution is what MOM will accept if the companies cannot find sufficient Singaporeans to fill their ranks which is the situation for most employers.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 Feb 2014 2:25 pm

This is rather pointed, but don't you find is funny that all the micro-managing they are doing is primarily designed to do nothing but one thing. That is to maintain the 75% Chinese ethnic balance in Singapore so as to ensure that they will always remain in power, at least in numerical superiority if not in party.

They have always used immigration to keep the minority numbers in check, but in their quest to be a IT Hub around 2000, they realized that they were incapable of doing it without using the most cost effective means to get it. Unfortunately, in their gimme quest they opened the flood gates to subcontinetal immigration and threw out their ethnic percentages by around 2.5 %.

They have been scrambling ever since to try to regain that by whatever means possible, most notably, as pointed out by myself and numerous others on this board long over the past several years, by favouring M'sian Chinese and secondarily Indonesian Chinese (but a lot of that was also money haven driven as well). Sadly, they have found the PRCs create more problems than they solve for the most part so have backed off there. Now the latest drive is Filipino labourers. I don't see this working too well either.

For the record, they are still rejecting some M'sia Chinese as well, as I believe we have had at least one in the past couple of months (maybe Dec?) It would also seem that the pogrom against sub-continentals has also slowed down as well, as seems to be slowly spreading itself equally across the spread of applicants.

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Postby iamneo » Tue, 04 Feb 2014 4:14 pm

Lessons from the past shaped the policies that we see today in Singapore:
1. 1964 race riots and conflict with Malaysia/UMNO
2. Violence against Chinese minority in Indonesia
3. Singapore is surrounded by Muslim countries and Islamism is rising again in Malaysia. This is one of strongest motivation behind the creation of the SAF.

Discrimination against the Chinese in Malaysia is probably another reminder to PAP that Chinese must hold the reins in Singapore.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 04 Feb 2014 4:36 pm

Most of us long timers here are pretty well versed in the history of the little red dot as well as her love/hate relationship across the causeway. With over 3 decades here, I've seen it ebb & flow quite a number of times.

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Postby the lynx » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 9:52 am

You gotta give iamneo some credit. He does say valid stuff AND he isn't a troll at this point of time.

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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:11 am

iamneo wrote:Lessons from the past shaped the policies that we see today in Singapore:
1. 1964 race riots and conflict with Malaysia/UMNO
2. Violence against Chinese minority in Indonesia
3. Singapore is surrounded by Muslim countries and Islamism is rising again in Malaysia. This is one of strongest motivation behind the creation of the SAF.

Discrimination against the Chinese in Malaysia is probably another reminder to PAP that Chinese must hold the reins in Singapore.


Unfortunately some of what you say is true.

Have you noticed the stealthy way the Malaysians in Johor are going to build a U shaped canal around the end of the causeway (in MY territory where Singapore can't do a thing)? Have you noticed the opening up of the artic route? Have you considered what might happen if Thailand does finally open a canal from the east to west? Singapore has a LOT more to worry about than just the Fanatics in MY.

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Postby zzm9980 » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:31 am

PNGMK wrote:
iamneo wrote:Lessons from the past shaped the policies that we see today in Singapore:
1. 1964 race riots and conflict with Malaysia/UMNO
2. Violence against Chinese minority in Indonesia
3. Singapore is surrounded by Muslim countries and Islamism is rising again in Malaysia. This is one of strongest motivation behind the creation of the SAF.

Discrimination against the Chinese in Malaysia is probably another reminder to PAP that Chinese must hold the reins in Singapore.


Unfortunately some of what you say is true.

Have you noticed the stealthy way the Malaysians in Johor are going to build a U shaped canal around the end of the causeway (in MY territory where Singapore can't do a thing)? Have you noticed the opening up of the artic route? Have you considered what might happen if Thailand does finally open a canal from the east to west? Singapore has a LOT more to worry about than just the Fanatics in MY.


I don't see the U-canal in JB being viable for all too much. Seems out of the way. And how deep-water is the strait anyway? Would it need dredging on the MY side? Is it worth all of that just to bypass SG?

The canal in Thailand should worry SG though.

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Postby Primrose Hill » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:58 am

the lynx wrote:You gotta give iamneo some credit. He does say valid stuff AND he isn't a troll at this point of time.


Agree and I am a MY chinese

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 6:05 pm

There are a couple on the forum. ;-)

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Postby yogaloungeforever » Wed, 05 Feb 2014 9:12 pm

I am all with iamneo on his points. The reason why islamisation is increasingly on the rise in recent months is because the government does not want to face up to the sorry state of the country's economy. they find it easier to find a scapegoat in other religions that they think pose a threat to islam - the latest on the issue concerning the use of the word 'allah'.
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