SG PR Chance?

[aparna.r2006]

Hi All,

Just to check about my PR approval possibility.

1. My husband is 35 years old indian working in Singapore since oct 2005 in IT sector. He is PEP holder.it will expire in Dec 2014.

2. His Education : Masters

3. Total Exp : 12yrs (9yrs Singapore exp)

4. I am master in computers.we got married in 2010.I am working in Singapore since May 2013(EP holder).no kids.

5. Total Income : 95k/Per annum.

he applied PR in 2006 - rejected. second time he applied PR in 2010(before marriage)- rejected.

Third time we applied in Jan 2014.

Please advice about PR approval possibility.

Thanks for your reply.

[Sergei82]

2006 - rejected is bad. That was the time they started giving away PRs to everybody. Was hard to be rejected.

[aparna.r2006]

Thank you for reply.

We hope to get PR in this attempt.

Advice on our negative points.

[Wd40]

Actually bad timing. 2006 it was still tough to get PR. 2010 also they started tightening. He should have applied in 2008. I have an Indian colleague who told me his PR was approved in 3 weeks in 2008 and he had left out his children from the application

Its hard to say whether this time you will get it or not. Their criteria have become very unpredictable. Good luck!

[iamneo]

Being Indian is already a big negative point and both of you are working in the IT sector so that just make things worse. If you are reading the local news, Indians working in the banking and IT sectors is one of the most hated group of foreigners right now in Singapore. Companies like Infos**, TC* and some foreign banks have pushed the limits of Singaporeans too far. I do not blame Singaporeans but I always blame the people who abuses the system.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Being Indian is already a big negative point and both of you are working in the IT sector so that just make things worse. If you are reading the local news, Indians working in the banking and IT sectors is one of the most hated group of foreigners right now in Singapore. Companies like Infos**, TC* and some foreign banks have pushed the limits of Singaporeans too far. I do not blame Singaporeans but I always blame the people who abuses the system.

By what authority do you have this? Or is this just your wish list, considering it's my distinct impression that you are local.

[zzm9980]

Why censor InfoSys and TCS?

[Wd40]

Being Indian is already a big negative point and both of you are working in the IT sector so that just make things worse. If you are reading the local news, Indians working in the banking and IT sectors is one of the most hated group of foreigners right now in Singapore. Companies like Infos**, TC* and some foreign banks have pushed the limits of Singaporeans too far. I do not blame Singaporeans but I always blame the people who abuses the system.

By what authority do you have this? Or is this just your wish list, considering it's my distinct impression that you are local.

His local news source is the same news source that reported that Anton Casey works for HSBC

[iamneo]

Hi
I am not a local but I am a Malaysian Chinese PR and I have been in Singapore for more than 5 years. I am working in the financial technology sector. I may not be right but this is just my analysis based on what I have collected so far.

If you look at the recent comments by NTUC, MOM and feedbacks collected by REACH (the government official feedback unit), there are a lot of complaints against the banking and IT sectors. Not too long ago, the Minister of Finance, Mr Tharman had a closed door meeting with the CEOs/MDs of all the local and foreign banks. He later admitted while most banks tried to hire Singaporeans, there are certain business lines within the banks that hires a large number of foreign PMETs. None of them actually shouted out "Indians" but if you link up the comments, it quite obviously who they are preferring to.

A few months later, we have the FCF. In the FCF, a lot of people only seem to concentrate on the advertising requirement. They have missed out another portion which states that MOM will implement measures to scrutinize companies which hire a large number of foreign PMETs. For those companies who are in the scrutiny list, MOM will try to "encourage" them to change their hiring practises. I will not be surprise if Infosys and TCS are included in the scrutiny list.

I have worked indirectly with some of these India IT MNCs and it is no secret that their onshore teams are staffed entirely with Indian EPs. I also knew that a lot of local bank staffs are very uncomfortable with this arrangement. In fact in the past one year, I heard that there are clients who are now insisting that these Indian MNCs hire some local subcontractors for their onshore teams.

I have spoken to one of the local resource manager and I knew that Infosys has also recently implemented an 18 months rotation policy. There are also a lot of news saying that that HCL, WIPRO, TCS and even Infosys are planning to reduce their onshore team while hiring more locals at the same time.

There are strong political pressure for both the banks and the government to reverse or slow the trend of putting Indians in the Banking /IT industries. I am not against the Indian IT companies but I believe it is time for them to adapt and to change for the better.

[iamneo]

Being Indian is already a big negative point and both of you are working in the IT sector so that just make things worse. If you are reading the local news, Indians working in the banking and IT sectors is one of the most hated group of foreigners right now in Singapore. Companies like Infos**, TC* and some foreign banks have pushed the limits of Singaporeans too far. I do not blame Singaporeans but I always blame the people who abuses the system.

By what authority do you have this? Or is this just your wish list, considering it's my distinct impression that you are local.

His local news source is the same news source that reported that Anton Casey works for HSBC

I assume that you are not a Caucasian. Actually, a lot of Singaporeans will prefer expats like Anto Casey than expats from Malaysia, China or India. If Mr Casey can learn how to keep his mouth shut, he will have a pretty good life here in Singapore.

[Wd40]

Dont worry, banks are moving out Indians back to India and the jobs too are going back to India. That way the xenophobes are happy and banks are also happy, they cut costs. Its not like banks dont want to hire locals. Its just that there are not enough locals who are good at IT. Do you know any locals who are good in IT and not getting employed? In fact banks would love to hire locals if they could and pay them 5-6k, which is good salary for locals since they have their HDB. For Indians to come here and work for that salary, isnt feasible any more. Most of them quit and go back since the rents have sky rocketed here and banks cannot increase salary as they have cost pressures. So the only way out is move jobs to India, Poland, Ukraine etc.

My wife used to work in NCS and she told me that only very very few Singaporeans there, most of them are foreigners, although not so many Indians. Most of them from Indonesia, China and Malaysia and Philippines. Go find out what is the percentage of Singaporeans working at NCS and then come back. This being a local company is least likely to hire foreigners over locals, isn't it? If not, then you have a bigger problem than just Indians working in IT and Banking.

[iamneo]

Hi
Just a second thought. The distribution of foreigners from different nationalities in NCS may actually be what the Singapore government wants. They probably know that Singapore has a small pool of technology workers and foreigners are required but they do not want employers to fill up their team with foreigners of the same nationality.

It does make sense because its always hard to convince people that there are no discrimination when you walked into an office and 99% of your colleagues are all from the same country. Looking back at the Chinese driver riot and Little India riot, there are also concerns of national security, the government do not want foreigners of the same nationality to cluster in the same industry.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Then, don't you suppose, it would be good to get rid of the 75% majority of Chinese here? otherwise, they form 75% of any company. You see, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Racism is usually practiced by the majority race without them even realizing it. I know. I was the vast majority in my own country and we did practice the worst forms of Discrimination. Now, since we've implemented rules to prevent that, we now have reverse descrimination. So, please remember, when you point at other, you have 4 pointing back at you. The biggest racial policy in Singapore is perpetuated by the government and HDB with the housing policy. Before you go off half-cocked on a rant, remember to look up the meaning of racism before you try to tell us here that it's a good policy. Nobody here will agree with you as it is racist in it's implementation as it tells people what the can and cannot do based solely on their race. Whether or not it's a good thing is a moot point. The fact is it is still racism. Full Stop. So, the banks like their IT teams to be all Indian. Is there any difference that local firms asking for Chinese only (or Mandarin speakers only or mandarin speakers preferred?) Why is that? Because it's easier to do business in the office environs if all are speaking the same language? Strange that, don't you think? It's okay if the Chinese do it, but not if any office is full on Indians because they all speak Hindi and are more suitably qualified the most of the locals in that industry? Interesting, neh?

[iamneo]

Hi
I am not saying that we should have a Chinese only policies. My earlier comments are not really about races. I just saying that if the companies cannot hire Singaporeans, its okay for them to hire foreigners. But it will be even better if the employers can maintain diversity. Hire some foreigners from India, some from the PRC and some from the South east asian countries. Keep the team diversify and multicultural. It will be good for everyone.

In the long run, this may also help employers to avoid unnecessary scrutiny from MOM and it will help to reduce the accusations of discrimination. I came from a country (Malaysia) where discrimination against Minority races are rampant. Compared to that, Singapore is in general a very good and fair country.

I know that Singaporeans are xenophobic but rather then going into the extremes like them, I will prefer to compromise a little and find a middle ground where the system will work and benefit all of us.

[sundaymorningstaple]

I wonder if the department would run at maximum efficiency that way, with all not speaking a common language (Singlish?). I don't like departments all of one nationality either, but I do, unfortunately understand, in certain areas, where this might be beneficial, especially in a technical industry where a miscommunication could conceivably shut down the entire operation. Just my P.O.V. of having been on both sides of the fence, as you are now doing. (you went from the minority to the majority, while I went the other direction. I have spend half my life as the majority and half as the smallest minority.... So we both should have similar viewpoints.