Be sure to read up on Social Security for Singapore Citizens (they actually have rules that are different by country citizenship). I would assume you’d still qualify for payments as a Singapore citizen while living in Singapore, since you put in enough years working in the US, but it’s always good to check. But, how it is taxed will definitely change as you will become a nonresident alien for US tax purposes. For nonresident aliens living outside the US, they will apply a flat 30% nonresident withholding tax on 85% of the benefit, so effectively a flat 25.5% tax.sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Sat, 10 Jul 2021 12:07 amI'm currently sitting like Addadude (actually we talked about this) as I'm also thinking along similar lines). The circumstances for my return no longer exist and I cannot see returning and going through the hassle of reestablishing a home in the US as I no longer have my farm there. That was my only reason to return. Now with 3 grandkids here there is a heck of a lot more reasons to just grin & bear it as long as it lasts.
A few percentage convert and then leave for greener pastures (to the USA and Oz from what I've seen). A few percent of native born also migrate on.malcontent wrote: ↑Fri, 09 Jul 2021 11:51 pmIt is surprising how many convert. But it is needed, Singapore born Singaporeans are becoming more and more rare… already less that half the population. I think quite a few would prefer a smaller population here - it’s still crowded, even with no tourists and many staying at home!
Are you saying that less than half of Singapore citizens in Singapore right now are locally born?malcontent wrote: ↑Fri, 09 Jul 2021 11:51 pmIt is surprising how many convert. But it is needed, Singapore born Singaporeans are becoming more and more rare… already less that half the population. I think quite a few would prefer a smaller population here - it’s still crowded, even with no tourists and many staying at home!
It is believed that less than half of the TOTAL population here are locally born Singaporeans. In 2020, 3.5m were citizens, 2.2m non-citizens, for a total of 5.7m. Half of the 5.7m is 2.85m. So out of the 3.5m citizens, it means more than 650k citizens would have been born elsewhere.Myasis Dragon wrote: ↑Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:56 amAre you saying that less than half of Singapore citizens in Singapore right now are locally born?malcontent wrote: ↑Fri, 09 Jul 2021 11:51 pmIt is surprising how many convert. But it is needed, Singapore born Singaporeans are becoming more and more rare… already less that half the population. I think quite a few would prefer a smaller population here - it’s still crowded, even with no tourists and many staying at home!
It could be a complex puzzle. On one hand some SC are not born in Singapore but also many foreigners applying for SC are born in Singapore and this may be rather significant fraction (20-50% of the applicants?).malcontent wrote: ↑Sat, 10 Jul 2021 2:24 pmIt is believed that less than half of the TOTAL population here are locally born Singaporeans. In 2020, 3.5m were citizens, 2.2m non-citizens, for a total of 5.7m. Half of the 5.7m is 2.85m. So out of the 3.5m citizens, it means more than 650k citizens would have been born elsewhere.Myasis Dragon wrote: ↑Sat, 10 Jul 2021 10:56 amAre you saying that less than half of Singapore citizens in Singapore right now are locally born?malcontent wrote: ↑Fri, 09 Jul 2021 11:51 pmIt is surprising how many convert. But it is needed, Singapore born Singaporeans are becoming more and more rare… already less that half the population. I think quite a few would prefer a smaller population here - it’s still crowded, even with no tourists and many staying at home!
True, many SC families are living overseas and have children not born in Singapore. At the same time you’ve got foreign families living in Singapore who give birth here; their children may not be citizens at the time of birth, but may become SC later. The statistics on citizens lacks this kind of breakdown, so one can only estimate using historical trends and math.x9200 wrote: It could be a complex puzzle. On one hand some SC are not born in Singapore but also many foreigners applying for SC are born in Singapore and this may be rather significant fraction (20-50% of the applicants?).
The prejudices are too ingrained. There are *some* local Indians who are suggesting that back in the day, they faced the brunt of it and now they have only got a slight respite because of Indian nationals. Meaning that there were already prejudices. They aren't going to go away with a parliamentary debate.the observer wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 8:55 amThe million dollar question is, post ceca debate, will Indian nationals now find it easier to get PR or is it otherwise?
Afterall, the point of the motion was to cajole the public into being more accepting.
Agree with smoulder's opinion on PR. Moreover the "volunteering" system has been gamed very effectively by them on the advices of PR agencies that now after COVID, even for volunteering the local Majoritarians are refusing to take or not respecting even genuine volunteer work from other Indians. There is program called P-Tech spearheaded by an American top IT firm which also partners with other government agencies and MNCs to mentor High School / Poly students from a corporate perspective. Even these students generally don't interact well if the mentor is an expat Indian but they do if the mentor is from the general Majority.the observer wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 8:55 amThe million dollar question is, post ceca debate, will Indian nationals now find it easier to get PR or is it otherwise?
Afterall, the point of the motion was to cajole the public into being more accepting.
Workers party’s wet dream.sp786 wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 4:57 pmAgree with smoulder's opinion on PR. Moreover the "volunteering" system has been gamed very effectively by them on the advices of PR agencies that now after COVID, even for volunteering the local Majoritarians are refusing to take or not respecting even genuine volunteer work from other Indians. There is program called P-Tech spearheaded by an American top IT firm which also partners with other government agencies and MNCs to mentor High School / Poly students from a corporate perspective. Even these students generally don't interact well if the mentor is an expat Indian but they do if the mentor is from the general Majority.the observer wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 8:55 amThe million dollar question is, post ceca debate, will Indian nationals now find it easier to get PR or is it otherwise?
Afterall, the point of the motion was to cajole the public into being more accepting.
On CECA - India generally imposes heavy tariffs on foreign services which is why you would recall India has a rough up earlier with Trump (Remember Harley Davidson in India?). CECA actually waives a lot of tariffs on SG's investments and services in India. India also has a strict FDI policy that restricts investments in their unicorns, startups etc.
In my personal view The Indian government may benefit from the CECA on other terms but i think it does not benefit anything from movement of its individuals to SG because these individuals' incomes are not taxed back in India which is the opposite of USA that taxes even foreign income. Even if these savings are remitted back to India to an interest bearing scheme, the tax is levied only on the interest and not on the income so transferred.
To be honest, SG is benefiting with returns on investment from CECA while India wants to obtain reliable services of reasonable price from SG. If Indians back in India begin to notice that they are being treated like trash start calling out CECA that it is denting their hard work abroad or their image back home, then the SG government's influence in South Asia and returns on their heavy investments would be at risk.
Trust or Partnership or Friendship are all mutual and not one-sided, therefore, I hope politicization of a FTA does not lead to severe cases of ethnic hatred.
As the parent of an adopted local Singapore Indian daughter I am a bit frustrated with imported Indians. The reality is that they are NOT the same species at all anymore.smoulder wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:14 amThe prejudices are too ingrained. There are *some* local Indians who are suggesting that back in the day, they faced the brunt of it and now they have only got a slight respite because of Indian nationals. Meaning that there were already prejudices. They aren't going to go away with a parliamentary debate.the observer wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 8:55 amThe million dollar question is, post ceca debate, will Indian nationals now find it easier to get PR or is it otherwise?
Afterall, the point of the motion was to cajole the public into being more accepting.
Also, as long as the racial ratios are maintained at roughly present levels, parliamentary debate or not, it's not really going to get much easier for the average family from India living in their own Indian bubble.
Agree. This probably could be true because such groups do not work in other countries and lack cultural intelligence. A normal taxi ride would prove this (summarized based on a live incident with co passenger 4 to 5 years back when Uber was there)smoulder wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:14 amThe prejudices are too ingrained. There are *some* local Indians who are suggesting that back in the day, they faced the brunt of it and now they have only got a slight respite because of Indian nationals. Meaning that there were already prejudices. They aren't going to go away with a parliamentary debate.the observer wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 8:55 amThe million dollar question is, post ceca debate, will Indian nationals now find it easier to get PR or is it otherwise?
Afterall, the point of the motion was to cajole the public into being more accepting.
Also, as long as the racial ratios are maintained at roughly present levels, parliamentary debate or not, it's not really going to get much easier for the average family from India living in their own Indian bubble.
And you'd think that despite these differences, the local Indians get treated much differently? The answer apparently is not really. I've seen and heard enough from the older generations to kids in schools and the way they talk to the local Indians to recognize that they somehow treat local Indians similarly.PNGMK wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 7:07 pmAs the parent of an adopted local Singapore Indian daughter I am a bit frustrated with imported Indians. The reality is that they are NOT the same species at all anymore.smoulder wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 11:14 amThe prejudices are too ingrained. There are *some* local Indians who are suggesting that back in the day, they faced the brunt of it and now they have only got a slight respite because of Indian nationals. Meaning that there were already prejudices. They aren't going to go away with a parliamentary debate.the observer wrote: ↑Sun, 11 Jul 2021 8:55 amThe million dollar question is, post ceca debate, will Indian nationals now find it easier to get PR or is it otherwise?
Afterall, the point of the motion was to cajole the public into being more accepting.
Also, as long as the racial ratios are maintained at roughly present levels, parliamentary debate or not, it's not really going to get much easier for the average family from India living in their own Indian bubble.
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