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PR approval chance in 2020

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by ProvenPracticalFlexible » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 5:14 pm

Why would you or any other professor need a PR in a year to take a job here? Would that be the most important reason to take an academic job in Singapore, I doubt.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by mtnut » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 5:17 pm

not from sng wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 4:49 pm
otherwise how would sng attract top scholars to move there?
With $$$. Keep in mind that PR is looking more for potential future citizens, rather than attracting foreign talent to SG. See below...
not from sng wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 4:49 pm
Can you point me to the website that gives the criteria for PR status?
https://www.ica.gov.sg/apply/PR/apply_PR_who

Also from this link: NOTE: ICA takes into account factors such as the individual's family ties to Singaporeans, economic contributions, qualifications, age, family profile and length of residency, to assess the applicant's ability to contribute to Singapore and integrate into our society, as well as his or her commitment to sinking roots.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by tommyboy8 » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 6:14 pm

Chance me? Just recently submitted

Age: early 30s
Gender: M
Marital: Single
Nationality: Indonesian
Ethnicity: Chinese
Diplomas: MBA (top 3 US), went to local high school (sec sch+JC) here under SG govt scholarship way back if that matters
Industry: Tech investing (private equity)
Salary: 700k
Years in SG: 4.5 years (filed taxes 4 times), 8.5 if including time spent before

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 6:57 pm

tommyboy8 wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 6:14 pm
Chance me? Just recently submitted

Age: early 30s
Gender: M
Marital: Single
Nationality: Indonesian
Ethnicity: Chinese
Diplomas: MBA (top 3 US), went to local high school (sec sch+JC) here under SG govt scholarship way back if that matters
Industry: Tech investing (private equity)
Salary: 700k
Years in SG: 4.5 years (filed taxes 4 times), 8.5 if including time spent before
Wait. Time spent before does not count. Is your full work experience in SG or did you work elsewhere? If you worked somewhere and then came back to SG, your chance may not be so high. else it will be high.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by tommyboy8 » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 7:07 pm

Only 4.5 years work experience in SG (4 tax cycles). Worked somewhere else outside SG prior to that before my MBA. Also left SG after JC and went to a US college. Thought the time spent before during sec sch / JC might be relevant so I'd mention it but seems that it doesn't get taken into consideration anyway

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 7:09 pm

tommyboy8 wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 7:07 pm
Only 4.5 years work experience in SG (4 tax cycles). Worked somewhere else outside SG prior to that before my MBA. Also left SG after JC and went to a US college. Thought the time spent before during sec sch / JC might be relevant so I'd mention it but seems that it doesn't get taken into consideration anyway
You may have around 25-30% chance. Because ICA knows from past that you may move elsewhere.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by RachC » Sat, 03 Oct 2020 11:27 pm

Hi everyone,

Hoping for everyone's advice as I am quite sad. My PR application (rejection) came in the mail today after applying at the start of April. My details:

Now 38 y.o (was 37 at time of app)
Australian
Education: Phd Biomedical Engineering (plus other Eng degrees all from Australia
In Singapore 2+ years in medical device industry (Head of APAC role)
EP pass
Unmarried
No kids
Volunteering for local medical device startups (reason for applying for PR)

All advice is welcome
Thanks

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by RachC » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:06 am

Forgot to add salary 20k/month plus bonus and commission

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 1:00 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 6:57 pm
tommyboy8 wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 6:14 pm
Chance me? Just recently submitted

Age: early 30s
Gender: M
Marital: Single
Nationality: Indonesian
Ethnicity: Chinese
Diplomas: MBA (top 3 US), went to local high school (sec sch+JC) here under SG govt scholarship way back if that matters
Industry: Tech investing (private equity)
Salary: 700k
Years in SG: 4.5 years (filed taxes 4 times), 8.5 if including time spent before
Wait. Time spent before does not count. Is your full work experience in SG or did you work elsewhere? If you worked somewhere and then came back to SG, your chance may not be so high. else it will be high.
I’d actually think he has a high chance.
Fact is, the govt has invested in him before via scholarships.
2ndly he is Chinese from SEAsia.
Anecdotally, Indonesian Chinese are next in line after Malaysians.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:28 am

RachC wrote:
Sat, 03 Oct 2020 11:27 pm
Hi everyone,

Hoping for everyone's advice as I am quite sad. My PR application (rejection) came in the mail today after applying at the start of April. My details:

Now 38 y.o (was 37 at time of app)
Australian
Education: Phd Biomedical Engineering (plus other Eng degrees all from Australia
In Singapore 2+ years in medical device industry (Head of APAC role)
EP pass
Unmarried
No kids
Volunteering for local medical device startups (reason for applying for PR)

All advice is welcome
Thanks
What ethnic group are you part of?

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by rach.c » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:42 am

Hi there,

Using my other account since the password reset is not working on my other account. As I mentioned I am Australian and fall in the Other category.

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Rachel

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by mtnut » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 11:19 am

rach.c wrote:
Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:42 am
As I mentioned I am Australian and fall in the Other category.
For clarity - ethnic group is Caucasian? Sorry it looks like we are splitting hairs, but the distinction is important for PR purposes.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:03 pm

Ethnicity and Nationality are two different things as noted by mtnut. The clarification is needed because if all other things were equal and one was an ABC and the other a Caucasian, the ABC would likely win because the quota for 'ethnic' Chinese is higher than for 'caucasian or others'. (ABC = Australian Born Chinese). Additionally, assimilation into the local social fabric is easier for any of the 3 main races here.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by rach.c » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:35 pm

Hi everyone,

Oh I see! Sorry I thought you were asking what category I fell into and what country I am from. Yes I am causasian. Sorry I am still trying to understand the PR process and what went wrong.

Thanks,
Rachel

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Sun, 04 Oct 2020 1:41 pm

rach.c wrote:
Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:35 pm
Hi everyone,

Oh I see! Sorry I thought you were asking what category I fell into and what country I am from. Yes I am causasian. Sorry I am still trying to understand the PR process and what went wrong.

Thanks,
Rachel
Nothing "went wrong" per se.

Unfortunately you are caucasian which means you are in one of the lowest categories available. And you need to look at everything else with this lense.
In that category, you aren't just competing against other caucasians. You are firstly competing against caucausians who have married Singapore citizens. They will get priority over single caucasians, such as yourself (or caucasians married to each others). So every time you see a Singaporean married to a caucasian - that's your "competition".
Your length of stay is also against you. You have only been here a couple of years. While 2 years is considered a minimum, the longer you have been here (paying taxes) the better.
Your age will also be against you when you reapply. You will be 38 going on 39. Generally speaking the closer you get the 40, the more difficult it will be.

On the positive side, depending on what exactly you are doing in your role, assuming it's advanced manufacturing/research and development, this is something the gahmen is keen on.
Your salary is strong enough to support both you and another dependent.

I think your age is what will factor against you as you will likely need to wait a couple more tax years before you are successful (to prove you are putting down roots here). Damned if you wait, damned if you apply now.

Look. In your case, I would say, keep applying again. It's only S$100 for each application. Your salary is high enough to cope with S$100 every 9 months or so.
But don't be surprised if you keep getting rejected, at least for another year or two.

The only thing that will improve your odds is to marry a Singaporean :lol:
If you're that desperate!!! (and then you will still have to wait 2 years!!)

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