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One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby Barnsley » Wed, 23 Jan 2019 9:49 am

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/injured-actor-aloysius-pangs-condition-has-worsened-now-in-icu-mindef

This unfortunate incident , especially with it being a relatively famous person , isnt gonna help the image of national Service here is it?

Then the other guy just got picked up after dodging for 3 years.

In some quarters the dodger will get some support for there actions when there are chances of serious injury.

Is it possible for Singapore to go for full time standing armed forces?

Not everyone has to nor wants to work in an office all their life , the armed forces style of life maybe suit them better?
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Re: One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby PNGMK » Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:17 am

The SAF could avoid almost all injuries if they would adopt best practice HSE as in the Oil and Gas industry. In our industry we do not have the types of incidents the SAF does (people being run over, drowned, falling, getting hit by live fire) because of two solid decades of determined culture change since Piper Alpha. What pisses me off is when they say "Oh accident what, cannot change" when we know from the OnG industry that there are "no accidents". There are incidents with clear provable root causes and those root causes can be eliminated, eradicated and removed given a determine top down approach to health and safety.
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Re: One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby Barnsley » Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:23 am

PNGMK wrote:The SAF could avoid almost all injuries if they would adopt best practice HSE as in the Oil and Gas industry. In our industry we do not have the types of incidents the SAF does (people being run over, drowned, falling, getting hit by live fire) because of two solid decades of determined culture change since Piper Alpha. What pisses me off is when they say "Oh accident what, cannot change" when we know from the OnG industry that there are "no accidents". There are incidents with clear provable root causes and those root causes can be eliminated, eradicated and removed given a determine top down approach to health and safety.


They do seem to go on the defensive very quickly.

As you say , there really are not "accidents" as such and everything has a root cause/escape route cause that is entirely preventable.
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Re: One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby kozizi » Wed, 23 Jan 2019 11:18 am

Was thinking the same, that it's quite bad publicity for NS that a celebrity-of-sorts is in ICU due to reservist.

But in a country where (a) population is limited, and (b) majority culture places emphasis on $$, prosperity, consumerism etc, I imagine there will be very few takers for full-time army lifestyle. So NS is a risk mitigation measure. And the TV guy in ICU is collateral damage.

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Re: One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby Barnsley » Thu, 24 Jan 2019 1:49 am

Poor guy died :(
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Re: One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 28 Jan 2019 11:10 pm

Folks - here's a link to a great article on FB... if you can't see it, I've also copied the contents here.

https://www.facebook.com/raymond2/posts ... 9689818655

When I was serving the country as a soldier, I served in Control of Personnel Centre. During my stint, I received awards for productivity and process improvements signed by the then Chief of Army and also Dr Yeo Ning Hong.

Now I am serving as a Practising Management Consultant certified by a Board closely related to the government. My job concerns the design of management and operations systems for companies. The principles of business management & designing operating procedures for these tanks are the same.

When I am looking at the design of the Self-Propelled Howitzer, it is my opinion that the design is inherently dangerous and no amount of SOP design / redesign is going to change the fact that this is a dangerous vehicle.

1) In the press conference, one officer mentioned that CFC Pang could not get away in time. That is nonsense, that space should not be occupied at any point of time. Given that all the potential movement of the turret would crush anyone who is there, that space should be blocked off and only to be accessed (if ever) during repairs.

2) I remember some officer mentioned that "usually most people would not have problem". That is one sure way of pointing the blame at CFC Pang. That is nonsense.

I was not trained to be operating the Howitzer gun, so let me just exercise my commonsense a bit. Did the tank even take into account of the recoil effect when the turret is firing? To take into account of the recoil effect all the space behind the turret cannot be used at all and access blocked off saved for maintenance purposes.

3) One officer even mentioned that there is a procedure to sound an alarm or informing when the turret is moving. This is again nonsense, if CFC Pang is repairing the turret, he must be the one who can decide when the machine can be used.

A few of my peers who are in workplace safety has mentioned this practice known as LOTO (Lock out tag out) system, in which no officer of any rank should be able to override to operate the machine when there is a soldier repairing the machine.

The design of the turret is from ground up, wrong in my opinion, and let's not mince words. When the design of the system is wrong, no amount of SOP nonsense would be able to compensate for an inherently dangerous design.

All management consultants would be schooled in Deming Principle - when there is an operational problem, 94% of the time you can find fault with the systems and only 6% of the time the error is human.

Just basing on prima facie analysis of the design of the system, I am sorry the fault is with the design, so the fault is with the designer of the system and if the system is not locally designed the fault is with the person approving the purchase of this system.

Do not let SAF explain their way out of this. I am very infuriated by the press conference they have conducted. While they expressed their condolences, they did not take full responsibility for this.

All the other accidents I can explain away with logic and probability (like allergy to smoke bombs and stuff). This is totally avoidable and I want to see Singapore Armed Forces take full responsibility in this.

There is no way I can logically explain this away.

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Re: One guy dodging , one guy critically injured!

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 29 Jan 2019 2:19 pm

Classic pinch hazard and a good post from a HSE aware person.
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