Singapore Expats Forum

Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

A moderated forum for serious discussions only.
User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 34940
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:42 am

Therein lies the problem. LL's wan't to protect their investments. And rightly so. Small Claims Tribunal? Google is your friend. Many tenants do not respect the fact that rental units are paid for by the landlord. They don't want tenants who trash the place and disappear into the night. It's called cause & effect. Eventually, enough LLs get burned by inconsiderate tenants and henceforth all LL become protective and not so generous. Especially when some tenants want the LLs to come and replace a $1 light bulb.

User avatar
PNGMK
Governor
Governor
Posts: 5555
Joined: Thu, 21 Mar 2013
Location: Sinkapore

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:26 am

Actually SMS most TA require the tenant pay the first $50 or so of a repair so I think that example is unlikely.
IANAL. IANACPA. IANA Teacher.
Arrested? Lawyer Up
International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
School advice? Avoid for profit schools
Tax advice? CPA
Pay me $5k for 100% success filling in PR form!

User avatar
ammyb
Member
Member
Posts: 34
Joined: Fri, 07 Aug 2015

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby ammyb » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:29 am

Oh really? I have signed the first $150 :-O

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9305
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby x9200 » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:31 am

SCT its only worth to mentioned in the context of the repairs. Unfortunately we have already seen on this very forum how much effort, if possible at all, it may take to recover the deposit and this with the SCT ruling in favour.

Now, what would be interesting to know is how it goes with the repairs. The important difference is that the expenses may be recovered from the future rent payments. If the court is able and orders so. If this works, than this should provide a very effective way against some problematic LLs.

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9305
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby x9200 » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:33 am

ammyb wrote:Oh really? I have signed the first $150 :-O

Nope, it is $150. I guess PNGMK ate up "1".

User avatar
PNGMK
Governor
Governor
Posts: 5555
Joined: Thu, 21 Mar 2013
Location: Sinkapore

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:38 am

x9200 wrote:
ammyb wrote:Oh really? I have signed the first $150 :-O

Nope, it is $150. I guess PNGMK ate up "1".


I haven't rented for years.... my numbers are obviously old.
IANAL. IANACPA. IANA Teacher.
Arrested? Lawyer Up
International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
School advice? Avoid for profit schools
Tax advice? CPA
Pay me $5k for 100% success filling in PR form!

User avatar
ammyb
Member
Member
Posts: 34
Joined: Fri, 07 Aug 2015

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby ammyb » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:39 am

Actually.. its too much legalities and money matters here. Thats what pinches. I have been in rentals before (not in Singapore) what mattered most was faith and trust. In maximum cases landlords helped me settle up. In some cases they became next to my parents or guardians. I have rented while i studied back home and also in different states in my own country for jobs.

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 34940
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:19 pm

Welcome to Singapore. A horse of an entirely different colour.

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9305
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby x9200 » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:36 pm

And be prepared (unfortunately) the worst may still to come. The very law you are complaining about is the only thing that keeps you reasonably safe from being ripped off with any possible opportunity. Not everybody is like this, but many too many. Have you already learnt the kiasu word?

User avatar
ammyb
Member
Member
Posts: 34
Joined: Fri, 07 Aug 2015

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby ammyb » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:39 pm

Oh no not complaining about law. Just wishing it to be a little considerate towards tenants and expats too. Whats kiasu now? :-O i am so brand new in Singapore.

User avatar
nakatago
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 8333
Joined: Tue, 01 Sep 2009
Location: Sister Margaret’s School for Wayward Children
Contact:

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby nakatago » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:52 pm

Google actually brings up a definition card for it: https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=kiasu

kiasu
ˈkiːəsuː/
SE ASIAN
noun
1.
a grasping, selfish attitude.
"I should have gone two hours earlier: the kiasu in me is growing"
adjective
1.
(of a person) very anxious not to miss an opportunity; grasping.


Westerners know of a similar concept known as FOMO: Fear of missing out.

User avatar
ammyb
Member
Member
Posts: 34
Joined: Fri, 07 Aug 2015

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby ammyb » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:55 pm

Ahaaa. Got it. Read it up on net. Quite an attitude.

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9305
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby x9200 » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 1:03 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiasu

Basically, it's about taking every opportunity to (possibly) gain something, often, at the other people expense. It's about jumping queues, it's about ripping you off if you allow it (so they can tell their colleagues how good was the deal they made), it's about some truly absurd situation where the LLs keep their apartments vacant for months rather than let it out $50 cheaper (my neighbour told me he rented for 3200 two years ago and my flat is much nicer, I would lose face if I let it below 3500). It is also about the insane education race where children as young as 3-4 are force to occupy their whole time learning spelling, numbers, piano, ballet etc etc just because everybody does so - children are your pension plan. Yep, welcome to Singapore. Not much about humanity, lots about making money in an enterprise.

User avatar
ammyb
Member
Member
Posts: 34
Joined: Fri, 07 Aug 2015

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby ammyb » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 1:07 pm

Yes. Slowly i am seeing that. About 95 percent stuck to mobile screens and tabs. Only handful really go through newspapers or book :-O

User avatar
JR8
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 16514
Joined: Wed, 24 Mar 2010
Location: K. Puki Manis

Re: Rentals in Singapore is painful for tenants

Postby JR8 » Tue, 20 Oct 2015 7:34 pm

x9200 wrote:So as I said it's a lack of an instrument and nothing to do with the law inequality.
But having said that, you should also consider that such agencies, government or semi-governmental are not that effective in any relatively minor problem. My experience is they will do their best to discourage you or simply not take your case for consideration. I think going to SCT for a repair case may be more effective.


Perhaps it's knowledge of and access to the law?
But in a system that pushes state-dependency (they are the freeholder to most citizens, they also hold and control your future pension etc), they're unlikely to support individual empowerment. Not least that to an extent renters are 'non people', and also non-voting ones if they're 'FT'. So I see zero motivation for them to provide a support channel, beyond the easy to ignore gnat-bite that is the FT who gets stung by a rip-off landlord.

It wouldn't take much to level the playing field. Having at a national level, a standard Tenancy Agreement, something you could buy from any major stationary shop, or downloadable from a website. In parallel having explanatory notes re: rights/obligations. Having resources and recourse if the contract is breached. An escrow scheme too as mentioned, to keep the depo out of the LLs hands unless deductions are proven valid. Etc... I don't think it would take much to change the culture, and hence empower the consumers. But if you follow the money and the votes, the victims and the need and the required state motivation are unaligned. So I don't see it happening.
'Do it or do not do it: You will regret both' - Kierkegaard


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Strictly Speaking”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests