Well, in my workplace a Fresh Grad foreigner was employed and Six months later he says he will leave when his 1 year EP is up, though he initially sounded very grateful when 'he got the job, as nobody wanted a fresh graduate. .. and he was pleasantly surprised at the starting pay...rajagainstthemachine wrote:we had a local - fresh out of school, our company took him, trained him for a year, paid him a stipend and he left for greener pastures.. what is the company's motivation to train locals in this case?
That is not a quality unique to any one nationality or ethnic group.rajagainstthemachine wrote:we had a local - fresh out of school, our company took him, trained him for a year, paid him a stipend and he left for greener pastures.. what is the company's motivation to train locals in this case?
Why? Sounds like you treat your employees as chattel property. Sounds like a shit company to work for... yes, we will give you some training so that you are a better employee for our company but we don't trust you... this is such Asian thinking.x9200 wrote:If a company provides a stipend, there should a bond in place. Same for any more extensive/expensive training.
Let's not be hypocrites, trust always has its limits and there is nothing wrong in some risk managements, especially for the fresh graduates where about everything is a lottery. You may value your employees if they are good employees or you value the bad ones too? It is also very naive to expect somebody just employed will appreciate (as of the average) you being trustful and fair. They will jump the ship as soon as something better paid emerges.Strong Eagle wrote:Why? Sounds like you treat your employees as chattel property. Sounds like a shit company to work for... yes, we will give you some training so that you are a better employee for our company but we don't trust you... this is such Asian thinking.x9200 wrote:If a company provides a stipend, there should a bond in place. Same for any more extensive/expensive training.
A company that values its employees wants them to become better in every way. And employees that are valued don't jump ship just because they received some training.
Tell that to Google or Quicken or Anadarko Petroleum of any of the 10/100 best companies to work for in the USA and see what the reaction is.x9200 wrote: Let's not be hypocrites, trust always has its limits and there is nothing wrong in some risk managements, especially for the fresh graduates where about everything is a lottery.
Repeating the same strong words or phrases while ignoring the main points of the opponent is a popular technique in this sort of discussions but I don't think it will take us anywhere. Or you were just interested in making statements? Wake up man, don't assume it's all the evil. The world is not black and white and the employer can still value his or her staff protecting himself from opportunistic job hoppers at the same time. Note, these hoppers can be good as of their technical skills but just opportunistic and like it or not, some people will never be loyal. More-over, you may have no chance to show your appreciation in monetary value as there could be a huge machine behind operating slowly based on their SOPs. This is the Singapore reality for many companies bigger and middle size.Strong Eagle wrote:Tell that to Google or Quicken or Anadarko Petroleum of any of the 10/100 best companies to work for in the USA and see what the reaction is.x9200 wrote: Let's not be hypocrites, trust always has its limits and there is nothing wrong in some risk managements, especially for the fresh graduates where about everything is a lottery.
If you're a shit boss working in a shit company, fear, threats, and an oppressive work culture are the only way to control employees. If you value your employees, you live with the few that don't pan out because their cost to you is far less than the value gained. Employee loyalty is a powerful thing. I see it daily in the small company I am working for... rated 4 years in a row as one of the best small businesses to work for in Houston.
There is nothing hypocritical in this at all. What is hypocritical is treating your employees like crap, like chattel property, then wondering why they leave for $25 more per month.
That applies anywhere in Asia I guess ...nakatago wrote:I once was told by someone who's ethnically Chinese to "ride a donkey until you find a horse."
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