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Deregistration at home country a must?

Postby mele123 » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 4:30 am

Dear all,

we will move to Singapore quite soon. Do you know whether it is necessary to be deregistered at the town hall at home in order to get
a) The Employment Pass
b) The Long Term Visiting Pass

Any idea?

Thank you and best regards,
mele123

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Re: Deregistration at home country a must?

Postby zzm9980 » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 4:40 am

mele123 wrote:Dear all,

we will move to Singapore quite soon. Do you know whether it is necessary to be deregistered at the town hall at home in order to get
a) The Employment Pass
b) The Long Term Visiting Pass

Any idea?

Thank you and best regards,
mele123


No, not at all.

Do you know whether it is necessary to be deregistered at the town hall at home


Every country is different. Many countries have no concept of "registering" or "deregistering" at a "town hall" for their citizens. As such, Singapore doesn't care. Your big brother government may though.

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Postby Max Headroom » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 9:06 am

OP, it helps if you tell us which country you hail from. Because, yes, each country applies its own laws on this.

I know that for some European countries any overseas stay longer than 6 months requires delisting. But it may not be quite as black and white as this eh.

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Postby AngMoG » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:29 am

Whether or not it is required in your home country, it may have some side effects if you do / do not de-register.

For example, from my own experience: For Germany, it is not, strictly speaking, required to de-register. However:
- If you de-register, you can vote overseas. If you stay registered, you would receive your voting papers in your registered address.
- If you stay registered, you would pay an additional fee if you want to have a passport renewed overseas.
- If you de-register, any change in status (marriage, divorce) would be registered with the Berlin town hall through the embassy. If you stay registered, your town hall of registry will need to be contacted directly, the embassy will not get involved afaik.

Overall, you country may treat you "as if you are still living there" if you do not de-register. Meaning papers may go to the registered address, you have to deal with the local government offices instead of the embassy, and you would not necessarily be treated as "overseas living" if you go to an embassy abroad.

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Postby JR8 » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:40 am

For UK citizens, you DO want to tell the Inland Revenue that you have left and are Non-Resident for tax purposes.

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Postby mele123 » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 1:01 pm

Tranks for your answers. It is indeed Germany where I am coming from.

There are Health Insurances for oversee which are much cheaper than the regularly used ones like BUPA, AXA etc. Precondition is that you have to stay registered in Germany which seems to be possible.

Thank you

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Postby beppi » Fri, 01 Aug 2014 3:17 pm

Singapore does not care if you follow or break any other country's rules, only its own. Thus it does not matter, for Singapore, whether you de-register or not.
Germany requires de-registration (within two weeks before or after the move) if you move. You can be fined for not doing it, but that rarely happens (how would they know?). However, any advantage that you gain based on breaking the registration law, like cheap travel health insurance, is invalid - an you can be sure the insurer will investigate if faced with a big claim (e.g. hospital bill)!

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Postby aster » Wed, 06 Aug 2014 9:56 pm

JR8 wrote:For UK citizens, you DO want to tell the Inland Revenue that you have left and are Non-Resident for tax purposes.


Is it true that to do this you have to actually get a job overseas, so I assume you will either have to prove this or at least sign that you are leaving to work abroad?

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Postby Barnsley » Fri, 08 Aug 2014 6:40 pm

aster wrote:
JR8 wrote:For UK citizens, you DO want to tell the Inland Revenue that you have left and are Non-Resident for tax purposes.


Is it true that to do this you have to actually get a job overseas, so I assume you will either have to prove this or at least sign that you are leaving to work abroad?


I am fairly sure I had to give my new details of new employment the twice I have left the UK to work.
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Postby JR8 » Fri, 08 Aug 2014 7:37 pm

aster wrote:
JR8 wrote:For UK citizens, you DO want to tell the Inland Revenue that you have left and are Non-Resident for tax purposes.


Is it true that to do this you have to actually get a job overseas, so I assume you will either have to prove this or at least sign that you are leaving to work abroad?


Hi Aster,
As so often it's a complex area. The form, and search string is 'Inland Revenue P85'.
This page [extract below] seems to sum it up ... http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/international/leave-uk.htm
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'Tax when leaving the UK

When you leave the UK you need to work out whether there is any change to your tax affairs and notify HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC). You may need to complete a Self Assessment tax return and you might be able to claim some tax back.

On this page:
What to do when you are leaving the UK
If you become not resident for UK tax
More useful links
What to do when you are leaving the UK

You must tell HMRC if you're:
leaving the UK to live or work abroad
returning home or moving to another country after a period of living and working in the UK'


[etc, at great length!]...
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