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Postby Mi Amigo » Mon, 04 Aug 2014 5:51 pm

Well you've got me a bit confused here. First you were talking about there 'not being that many quality Locals who work themselves up to the higher levels', but now you're saying that your experience is in hiring people in the low-mid (3K - 7k) range. Yes, it would be very unusual for an 'expat package' to be offered at that level, but there's still the expense, delay and uncertainly regarding EP applications, plus there may well be relocation costs to be reimbursed, etc. So even at that level I'd always go for a local candidate if at all possible.

I guess I must be the odd one out here, and everyone else favours hiring foreigners (or 'small time expats' as you so nicely put it) over locals, despite the costs and uncertainties. Who'd have thought, eh? :???: :shock:
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Postby AndrewV » Mon, 04 Aug 2014 5:55 pm

Mi Amigo wrote:Well you've got me a bit confused here. First you were talking about there 'not being that many quality Locals who work themselves up to the higher levels', but now you're saying that your experience is in hiring people in the mid ( 3K - 7k) range. Yes, it would be very unusual for an 'expat package' to be offered at that level, but there's still the expense, delay and uncertainly regarding EP applications, plus there may well be relocation costs to be reimbursed, etc. So even at that level I'd always go for a local candidate if at all possible.

I guess I must be the odd one out here, and everyone else favours hiring foreigners (or 'small time expats' as you so nicely put it) over locals, despite the costs and uncertainties. Who'd have thought, eh? :???: :shock:


Apologies if i wasn't clear. My emphasis was on the lower/lower-mid level kind of employees. I think the FCF helps singaporeans/PR in that area so that they can build up to be higher value employees who can compete based purely on capabilities (hence the salary ceiling for which employers must advertise on the jobsbank).

note the usage of the term "junior" in the following article
http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en ... singapore/

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Postby Mi Amigo » Mon, 04 Aug 2014 6:38 pm

OK, well I think we've each made our positions clear, and as you said earlier, you are also of course entitled to your point of view.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'll just finish by reiterating my opinion, FWIW...

1. If / where there are incidents of discrimination against Singaporean candidates, then they absolutely should be rooted out and dealt with. So I accept that there needs to be some kind of system to monitor and enforce this. But it has to be done very carefully and not become a case of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

2. If however the real intent is to try to placate the army of online anti-foreigner bigots by introducing a kind of 'Bumi Lite' regime that 'assists' Singaporeans into jobs they feel 'entitled' to, but are not actually capable of doing properly, then that will (IMHO) be very detrimental to Singapore's economy in the long run.

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Postby Brah » Mon, 04 Aug 2014 8:43 pm

Mi Amigo wrote:2. If however the real intent is to try to placate the army of online anti-foreigner bigots by introducing a kind of 'Bumi Lite' regime that 'assists' Singaporeans into jobs they feel 'entitled' to, but are not actually capable of doing properly, then that will (IMHO) be very detrimental to Singapore's economy in the long run.

Is this not what is happening, at least to some extent, and accelerating?

Where is that troll from a few weeks back when you need him.....

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Postby Wd40 » Mon, 04 Aug 2014 10:08 pm

AndrewV wrote:
Mi Amigo wrote:Well you've got me a bit confused here. First you were talking about there 'not being that many quality Locals who work themselves up to the higher levels', but now you're saying that your experience is in hiring people in the mid ( 3K - 7k) range. Yes, it would be very unusual for an 'expat package' to be offered at that level, but there's still the expense, delay and uncertainly regarding EP applications, plus there may well be relocation costs to be reimbursed, etc. So even at that level I'd always go for a local candidate if at all possible.

I guess I must be the odd one out here, and everyone else favours hiring foreigners (or 'small time expats' as you so nicely put it) over locals, despite the costs and uncertainties. Who'd have thought, eh? :???: :shock:


Apologies if i wasn't clear. My emphasis was on the lower/lower-mid level kind of employees. I think the FCF helps singaporeans/PR in that area so that they can build up to be higher value employees who can compete based purely on capabilities (hence the salary ceiling for which employers must advertise on the jobsbank).

note the usage of the term "junior" in the following article
http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en ... singapore/


Coincidently, I read that EFC article today on my return MRT ride to home. Also read another related article:

http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en ... n-bankers/

Somehow I feel this article is complete BS, especially:

[quote]Most commonly, EPs are being turned down for more junior applicants whose annual base salaries are below the S$98k threshold needed to obtain an elite “P1-level”

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Postby Barnsley » Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:07 am

[quote="Wd40"]

[quote]Most commonly, EPs are being turned down for more junior applicants whose annual base salaries are below the S$98k threshold needed to obtain an elite “P1-level”
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