Going by OP's example, whose wife's PR is not for 2 years yet, should they still apply together when one has PR for many years and the other just got his/her PR? Or they should wait for the latter to reach "full maturity" of 2 REP renewals?sundaymorningstaple wrote:An application by one spouse when both are PRs is pretty much sure to fail.
That is quite an achievement if your dob is 1986 (as your nick seems to imply).
I see this from a different angle, there is nothing more you can give to Singapore .. your son is already Singaporean and he has to /already has served NS. Financially you already have achieved what you could have achieved .. so IMO, if you become a citizen what else you can contribute to Singapore ?whizzard wrote:
Times have changed. Sentiments have changed. Policies have changed. The Singapore government has become more discerning and selective. I know of many high flyers who have been staying in Singapore for years but have been rejected in their citizenship application (although they have less ticks in their boxes - higher salaries maybe but less cultural affiliation and others). Like I said, it's much harder these days.
It's quite possible and this is how Asians usually think.ful babu wrote:I see this from a different angle, there is nothing more you can give to Singapore .. your son is already Singaporean and he has to /already has served NS. Financially you already have achieved what you could have achieved .. so IMO, if you become a citizen what else you can contribute to Singapore ?whizzard wrote:
Times have changed. Sentiments have changed. Policies have changed. The Singapore government has become more discerning and selective. I know of many high flyers who have been staying in Singapore for years but have been rejected in their citizenship application (although they have less ticks in their boxes - higher salaries maybe but less cultural affiliation and others). Like I said, it's much harder these days.
but it just me ...
whizzard wrote:Compared to 5 years ago, it is no longer easy to apply for a Singapore Citizenship or Permanent Residency. I should know.
I am a Malaysian Chinese who came here to study when I was 12 years old and stayed on and competed in the Singapore education system until I graduated from NUS with a bachelors degree. I subsequently got an MBA.
I married a Singaporean Chinese wife and we have a Singaporean Chinese son. This is our respective first marriage and we remain married to each other. I worked for a Singapore GLC and climbed the corporate ladder until a very senior position (Managing Director). I was even posted by the company to head one of its overseas unit for some years. I have since returned and am still employed full time by a foreign firm. Based on my income tax return, I am amongst the top tax paying bracket in Singapore.
Last year, I decided after many years (more than 20 as PR and more than 30 from the day I first came to Singapore) to give up my citizenship and apply for a Singapore citizenship. I decided to apply under the Economic Scheme since I am gainfully employed and earning well above average. I also do not own a HDB flat but a few private properties (we stay in a landed, the rest are investments) and bought private medical insurance for all my family members i.e. I do not leech off the Singapore system and am not eligible for subsidies.
I have been taxed since my first day of work and been paying my taxes diligently. I have not been convicted in any courts nor have I ever been sued or declared a bankrupt.
To my surprise, my application was rejected last year. Seemingly, I ticked all the boxes. Cultural affinity (Malaysian Chinese), education (Singapore O & A levels and NUS graduate), social affinity (Singaporean spouse and son), paid taxes, above average career and no political participation nor affiliation. However, it was still not approved. My only guess and conclusion is my age, I am well above 40 but below 50. I even appealed to the MP serving my constituency but it was similarly rejected. The selection criteria and reasons used by the ICA are opaque. I tapped my network and contacts to find out what happened.
My company tried to employ a well qualified Malaysian Chinese in his thirties based in HK for a position vacated in my team (about $10K per mth). His Employment Pass was rejected despite the company appealing. We eventually ended up hiring a very junior local whom I have trained and am continuing to train through my blood and sweat.
Times have changed. Sentiments have changed. Policies have changed. The Singapore government has become more discerning and selective. I know of many high flyers who have been staying in Singapore for years but have been rejected in their citizenship application (although they have less ticks in their boxes - higher salaries maybe but less cultural affiliation and others). Like I said, it's much harder these days.
I agree with this .... Folk who are not financially dependent upon a Govt tend to be rather free thinking and often do not go with what the Govt is expecting.PNGMK wrote:Whizzard - it's your lack PAP affiliation (or apparent lack of allegiance).... GE 2016 needs 100% certain PAP new SC - you are far from that.
Very opportunistic and self-serving.Barnsley wrote:I agree with this .... Folk who are not financially dependent upon a Govt tend to be rather free thinking and often do not go with what the Govt is expecting.PNGMK wrote:Whizzard - it's your lack PAP affiliation (or apparent lack of allegiance).... GE 2016 needs 100% certain PAP new SC - you are far from that.
If you are financially and socially dependent upon the Govt of the time then you are for more likely to vote for the Govt of the day.
This is why i am amazed by folk on here who use Salary as a criteria for PR and Citizenship.
If they hand our PR and then citizenship to folks who are not financially and socially dependent on the Govt , why the hell would they vote for Govt?
If I was Singapore Govt I would only be doling out Citizenships especially to folks who would be dependent on the state and would have everything to lose by voting for opposition.
I do not fully support this line of thinking; surely the Spore Govt needs to also ensure sufficient collection of income taxes, surely the more taxes you are paying, the more chances to be approved for your SC application?Barnsley wrote:PNGMK wrote: If I was Singapore Govt I would only be doling out Citizenships especially to folks who would be dependent on the state and would have everything to lose by voting for opposition.
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