Its seems the Ukraine is between a rock and a hard place .....Sergei82 wrote:Sitting here with a bucket for vomit just in case and reading news from my country... what a shame!
Ladies and gentlemen, I know most of you already saw something on the news about Ukraine recently. What are your thoughts about it? Is it the rightful will of people to create a democratic nation? Not saying anything intentionally: curious to know how it looks like for people who just see Ukraine in the news every so often.
All of them were undemocratic, and/or ruled by dictators, and/or family dynasties that passed power from father to son.Wd40 wrote:I dont really follow political news much. But my thoughts when I saw what is happening in Ukraine, with what the police did to disperse the crowd and US is warning that they will put sanctions, is I am wondering how come Ukraine joined the likes of Egypt, Syria and Libya.
That sounds pretty grim Dude!!Sergei82 wrote:And Ukraine is ruled by a bunch of retards. And a bunch of retards #2 is trying to seize the power now (with no strategy on how to do it and no clue what to do with the country if they win).
EU+US is no better than Russia for us now. It is not Ukraine who needs to reconcile with both EU+US and Russia, it is EU+US who should come in terms with Russia, Ukraine has nothing to do with all that shit.
And all that "revolution" is just a circus, unlike Syria and Egypt where people were trying to overthrow dictators. Soon people will dissipate and go celebrating New Year. Unfortunately, economy is steadily going down. To extent even Thailand is already ahead of Ukraine... but no: lets halt the economy again (every year now!) and use all available money in election campaign.
Where the hell do they take those money for (re-)elections every year? Not sure, but what I'm sure is:
1) Recently a new tax was introduced for those Ukrainians working abroad - they must pay up difference between taxes in Ukraine and country of residence. In city as expensive as Singapore paying Ukrainian tax will mean nothing to eat for many. That is very new, none of countries of former USSR is doing that. Since nobody paid that before, we will have difficulties visiting our own country now: we need to show some proof that the taxes were paid.
2) A new tax was introduced for money received from abroad by relatives of expats and work migrants (depending on amount can be over 20%). What are they trying en-/discourage?
3) A new tax was introduced (10% and above) on all currency conversions. And that is on top of previous tax.
So I have to give away a half of my income to the contry which is doing absolutely nothing for me, I have no property there, I'm not going to retire there. Those money will not be received by my parents and relatives, they will be spent on elections (much of work for which is outsourced to experts from other countries where my money will drift to)
Judge me if I'm not a patriot!
I hardly doubt anyone cares about us overseas (just as at home) - they just see a chance to possibly get some extra cash for the upcoming elections.Barnsley wrote:Did the new taxes get explained as they would seem like a big disincentive to overseas workers, whilst inviting folks to change nationality at the first available opportunity.
So far Ukrainians here are sitting tight and waiting what will happen in the nearest future (and spitting out lots of worst imaginable vulgarities about our politicians each time with beer). There is no way to find out about our income. It is just another very obscure law that can be used to justify anything for whatever purpose needed. As I said, those 3 taxes is a new thing that came out just this year.Wd40 wrote:Ouch! Having to pay double tax, really hurts man. So what are you planning to do? My thought is how will Ukraine find out how much you are making in Singapore? If I were you, I wont declare my Singapore income at all.
The way I read that (assuming you mean what you actually wrote) is that your total Income Tax bill will be the same as if you were earning all your current income in the Ukraine, correct? If you are only having to pay the difference between the two countries. This would very much be like the US tax structure (assuming one doesn't qualify for the Income Earned Abroad Exclusion) and using tax credits for taxes paid in the country where you earned your money. The US taxes you on your world wide income regardless of where it is earned or you live. But if you have lived there long enough, you to have the above mentioned exclusion to help.Sergei82 wrote: 1) Recently a new tax was introduced for those Ukrainians working abroad - they must pay up difference between taxes in Ukraine and country of residence. In city as expensive as Singapore paying Ukrainian tax will mean nothing to eat for many. That is very new, none of countries of former USSR is doing that. Since nobody paid that before, we will have difficulties visiting our own country now: we need to show some proof that the taxes were paid.
yessundaymorningstaple wrote:...your total Income Tax bill will be the same as if you were earning all your current income in the Ukraine, correct?
Yes, but we are not US, which means: no exclusion, no tax credit, and we all know that we will never get any benefit from our country out of those money paid (less than USD 100$ pension after age of 60 is supposed to be a part of retirement paradise? of course, people need to find ways to accumulate money for older age... and our kind politicians want some share).sundaymorningstaple wrote:This would very much be like the US tax structure (assuming one doesn't qualify for the Income Earned Abroad Exclusion) and using tax credits for taxes paid in the country where you earned your money.
I missed this thread somehow. Are you that dependent on Russia that this is EU/US who needs to negotiate, or there are some other reasons?Sergei82 wrote:It is not Ukraine who needs to reconcile with both EU+US and Russia, it is EU+US who should come in terms with Russia, Ukraine has nothing to do with all that shit.
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