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Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby olliea » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 6:11 am

Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.

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Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 8:15 am

Funny, when I google for "nikah", the first result's preview text is:
Another Arabic word for marriage is nikah (in Arabic: ????? nik??), which can be used to mean "sexual intercourse", especially in contemporary use.


Yes, two foreigners can do that in Singapore. :P


olliea wrote:Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.


Go to http://app.rom.gov.sg/index.asp and see.

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Postby v4jr4 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 9:34 am

olliea wrote:Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.


Errr... any reason why?
Sorry if this offends you, but I never heard such "Vegas" case.
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Postby the lynx » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 9:47 am

for couples where at least one party is not a Singapore Citizen or Singapore Permanent Resident, one of the parties to the intended marriage must have been physically present in Singapore for at least 15 days preceding the date of the notice. (Please note that the day of arrival in Singapore is not included.);


http://app.rom.gov.sg/reg_info/rom_marriage_rules.asp

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:00 am

v4jr4 wrote:
olliea wrote:Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.


Errr... any reason why?
Sorry if this offends you, but I never heard such "Vegas" case.


There's zero advantage to it IMO. I'm not even sure they will find a Kadih who will do it unless he knows them.

If you want a quick and dirty muslim marriage it's much easier in MY or Thailand.

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby the lynx » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:07 am

PNGMK wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:
olliea wrote:Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.


Errr... any reason why?
Sorry if this offends you, but I never heard such "Vegas" case.


There's zero advantage to it IMO. I'm not even sure they will find a Kadih who will do it unless he knows them.

If you want a quick and dirty muslim marriage it's much easier in MY or Thailand.


Nope, not even Malaysia. It is either Thailand or Indonesia (no offence, v4jr4). It is a common problem in Malaysia, where wayward couples attempt to have nikah across the borders to be able to 'consummate' their relationship. Usually it is between a married man and his sweet (naive) young thing (obviously had his wish to marry her as second wife objected by first wife).

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:40 am

the lynx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:
olliea wrote:Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.


Errr... any reason why?
Sorry if this offends you, but I never heard such "Vegas" case.


There's zero advantage to it IMO. I'm not even sure they will find a Kadih who will do it unless he knows them.

If you want a quick and dirty muslim marriage it's much easier in MY or Thailand.


Nope, not even Malaysia. It is either Thailand or Indonesia (no offence, v4jr4). It is a common problem in Malaysia, where wayward couples attempt to have nikah across the borders to be able to 'consummate' their relationship. Usually it is between a married man and his sweet (naive) young thing (obviously had his wish to marry her as second wife objected by first wife).


Ok MY has obviously tightened things up. I know there used to be some Kadih's for hire up there...

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby v4jr4 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:03 am

the lynx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:
olliea wrote:Can two foreigners have a registered nikah marriage in Singapore on visitors visa? Neither of us are residents. For an American and Pakistani citizen.


Errr... any reason why?
Sorry if this offends you, but I never heard such "Vegas" case.


There's zero advantage to it IMO. I'm not even sure they will find a Kadih who will do it unless he knows them.

If you want a quick and dirty muslim marriage it's much easier in MY or Thailand.


Nope, not even Malaysia. It is either Thailand or Indonesia (no offence, v4jr4). It is a common problem in Malaysia, where wayward couples attempt to have nikah across the borders to be able to 'consummate' their relationship. Usually it is between a married man and his sweet (naive) young thing (obviously had his wish to marry her as second wife objected by first wife).


In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|
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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby the lynx » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 11:13 am

v4jr4 wrote:In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|


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Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:02 pm

the lynx wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|


That too.


I never understood the fuss about virginity....

I mean I'd rather be a pillion passenger on a motorbike with an experienced rider for example than on the back with someone going for their first ride. And that applies to pretty much any shared experience.

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby v4jr4 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:12 pm

PNGMK wrote:I never understood the fuss about virginity....


Well, they want something "fresh". It's kinda oxymoron.
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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby Wd40 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:14 pm

PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|


That too.


I never understood the fuss about virginity....

I mean I'd rather be a pillion passenger on a motorbike with an experienced rider for example than on the back with someone going for their first ride. And that applies to pretty much any shared experience.


Bad example. A better one would be, buying a brand new bike v/s a bike that has already done 100k miles :wink: :P :D

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:20 pm

Wd40 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|


That too.


I never understood the fuss about virginity....

I mean I'd rather be a pillion passenger on a motorbike with an experienced rider for example than on the back with someone going for their first ride. And that applies to pretty much any shared experience.


Bad example. A better one would be, buying a brand new bike v/s a bike that has already done 100k miles :wink: :P :D


Actually your analogy is still wrong.... a brand new bike needs to be run in carefully, you can't do things with it you really want to, you're afraid of damaging it, you're worried about someone stealing it and you know the minute you took it out of the shop it lost 30% of it's value. Where as the old banger can be thrashed within an inch of her life and still go well, she doesn't lose value anymore and no one will steal her.

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby Wd40 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 12:26 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|


That too.


I never understood the fuss about virginity....

I mean I'd rather be a pillion passenger on a motorbike with an experienced rider for example than on the back with someone going for their first ride. And that applies to pretty much any shared experience.


Bad example. A better one would be, buying a brand new bike v/s a bike that has already done 100k miles :wink: :P :D


Actually your analogy is still wrong.... a brand new bike needs to be run in carefully, you can't do things with it you really want to, you're afraid of damaging it, you're worried about someone stealing it and you know the minute you took it out of the shop it lost 30% of it's value. Where as the old banger can be thrashed within an inch of her life and still go well, she doesn't lose value anymore and no one will steal her.


It was just a joke :) But for the sake of debating... A new bike is still a new bike, you pay a higher price and take good care of it and show more love towards it and you get greater enjoyment from it. Its closer to your heart. A used bike is a more practical decision made with mind :)

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Re: Foriegn Marraige in Singapore?

Postby zzm9980 » Tue, 01 Oct 2013 1:20 pm

Wd40 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
Wd40 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
the lynx wrote:
v4jr4 wrote:In Indonesia, it's called "nikah siri" (secret marriage). And most clients come from (according to the mouth-to-mouth ads) the "oil-dessert" place. For some people, it's more like "human transaction", since most of the "second wife to be" comes from poor family. Swapping virginity for money :-|


That too.


I never understood the fuss about virginity....

I mean I'd rather be a pillion passenger on a motorbike with an experienced rider for example than on the back with someone going for their first ride. And that applies to pretty much any shared experience.


Bad example. A better one would be, buying a brand new bike v/s a bike that has already done 100k miles :wink: :P :D


Actually your analogy is still wrong.... a brand new bike needs to be run in carefully, you can't do things with it you really want to, you're afraid of damaging it, you're worried about someone stealing it and you know the minute you took it out of the shop it lost 30% of it's value. Where as the old banger can be thrashed within an inch of her life and still go well, she doesn't lose value anymore and no one will steal her.


It was just a joke :) But for the sake of debating... A new bike is still a new bike, you pay a higher price and take good care of it and show more love towards it and you get greater enjoyment from it. Its closer to your heart. A used bike is a more practical decision made with mind :)


A car/motorbike analogy does not fit every situation, and this is especially the case.

I think from a love / 'forever' type of deal, many cultures prefer the virgin.

From the client / service provider point of view (and the point of the 'nikah siri'), OSOD is right. You want maximum return on your value for the fixed period of time you'll be engaged with it. You don't hire a tax accountant or lawyer fresh out of college now, do you?

The only people that I guess would want the virgin for this type of arrangement come from a conservative culture that value (or require) virginity in women, and have a sick and perverted view of power that they get by being the ones to deprive someone of that. It's almost a mental rape.


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