Brah wrote: Well that would be interesting if you can find it, there are a lot of good BBC documentaries on YT, I saw a good one on the Synth Pop movement.
No joy so far I'm afraid. But it seems that the structural hook is not unique. Have a look at this amusing and informative comedy clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
Axis of Awesome - 4 Four Chord Song (with song titles)
Now I'm not completely sure, but note in the above's Comment section from today no less...
Q.'Is this also Pachelbel's Canon?
A. It's the first four chords of the 8 chord Pachelbel Canon progression, yes.'
So when I mentioned Pachelbel earlier in this thread I was on the right trail it seems!
Thanks for all the YT links, I look forward to giving them an airing when my wife is next out
I personally would never describe Depeche Mode that way, I see them as a seminal New Wave band for their music but not musicianship.
Well I think it might just come down to our respective definitions of New Wave. Even Wikipedia seems confused, suggesting the the New York Dolls were New Wave (when they surely should be considered as a 'foundation stone of punk'). As for Depeche Mode.... I wouldn't consider them New Wave, they started out as New Romantics (IIRC).
p.s. I was never into Depeche Mode until my wife got tickets to see them play Madison Square Garden. I've been to many concerts (certainly 100 in my university years alone) but it not often that I have witnessed a band working an audience quite so effectively. You couldn't help but admire them for the show that night ... seriously polished.
The term "musicians' musician" makes me think more of people like Steve Morse from The Dregs or Jeff Beck or Jan Hammer or Eric Johnson - artists with strong compositional talent, improvisational talent, diversity and technical talent, with styles so trademark that they have their own 'sound' and stand alone in their own well-defined place. Sometimes stuff that bores the ladies and makes guys jaws drop in amazement. It probably means different things to different people.
[More links I'll follow in due course]
Technically talented and a trademark style would seem to fit the bill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6T9qp9XbRY
robert wyatt - shipbuilding
Now how on earth can you be as talented as the above and never chart. He is (to me) a good example of a musicians' musician. * Check out the Comments section, OMG I literally was laughing out loud
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The subthread was mostly about New Wave and Todd and / or Utopia don't fit in well there. He's got a lot of very diverse stuff, morphed over the years, and is a producer (he 'made' Mearloaf so successful, produced the controversial Skylarking by XTC, a lot of Hall and Oates stuff, many others), writes pop music. leading a Prog Rock band, lead a Rock band, did some experimental and electronic stuff - it would take time to read his lyrics and see where he's coming from, which is often pretty deep and very humanistic. I wouldn't know where to start except from the beginning and work up to the mid-80s when I guess I stopped listening to his new stuff but the old is timeless. One of those acts that can be amazing or kinda iffy live, depending on the concert.
[More links and once again thank-you very much for going to the trouble of posting all the links.... honestly appreciated!]
Mi Amigo wrote:Wow, that's a lot of clips there; I'll be interested to look through them over the coming days.
It was therapy for me to find and hear them, most I haven't heard ever or in years, and assisted my coffee in making me wake up yesterday
Oh yeah, Todd Rundgren. Let me type that again: Todd Rundgren. If ever there was a seriously under-appreciated, under-acknowledged artist then surely it is he.
Good to see I'm not alone in this. I spent a lot of time going through his stuff yesterday, there's just so much and not only liking the music, but the very positive effect it has, which I kinda needed.
Brah, here's the Little Feat track I mentioned yesterday evening, so you don't have to search for it:Rock & Roll Doctor (1977)
Thanks for this nice way to start the day, I always feel good after hearing me some Feat, they are, as they say, the sh!t
"Two degrees in bebop, a PhD in swing, he's a master of rhythm he's a rock n' roll king." Oh yes. And that clip is just from the sound check, so the show itself must have been superb. Did you say you had the Rockpalast show on video?
Yes, I have the DVD, happy to lend it to you, the whole show is very good
I seem to remember that Dallas Alice came up in the conversation at some point last night, in reference to: Willin' - Live 1977
Yes, from Willin', but at the time I was also trying to get the other Dallas Alice reference I knew, figured it out here - WARNING: Country Music, which I know some people don't like, but I do. There's no YT video for it but this Amazon has the excerpt: White Palace
It's by Clay Walker, who I learned about from the movie The Thing Called Love, which is worth a watch, about budding songwriters coming to Nashville to make it big. Walker had a hit on that movie and I bought first the soundtrack to the movie, then his album. Wore it out driving from Tokyo to Chiba when going surfing on weekends. That song is on TY: Dreaming With My Eyes Open
Seems to be from the aforementioned Rockpalast show. That was about a year after I saw them play on the same bill as The Who at Charlton Athletic football ground in London. What a day that was - a fundamental part of my musical education, no doubt about that.
Odd combination but must have been a great show. "Tommy" was my very first album, BTW
God bless you, Lowell George.
Yeah, Little Feat were the best with him, but they did some great stuff after he died. Like the Let It Roll album, the whole thing is good.
OK, just one more that popped up on YouTube: Dixie Chicken (with Emmylou Harris & Bonnie Raitt) Live 1977
That's a great clip of that song, shorter without the jam at the transition in other songs like they usually did. I think Emmylou was a bit intimidated by Bonnie in that for some reason, she didn't know the lyrics as well. You know Lowell taught Bonnie how to play slide guitar, right? She always honours Little Feat in her music.
All this country-ish (Feat are more New Orleans than Country, but there is a connection) had me going to my go-to pedal steel song, one of those few magic things you can hear a thousand times and not get tired of it: The Wheel
Brah wrote:No way were the Dolls New Wave, they were Punk and / or proto-Punk, maybe Glam.
Yes I concur. Proto-punk was the genre that came to mind too with like a glam cross-over*. Similar (but from a different angle and minus the glam lol) as Patti Smith... you know, directly expressing anger rather than veiling it within obscure lyrics (Neil Young et all).
Check out the platforms, big hair and little bolero jackets!*... groovy man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctg5FCS1wCM
New York Dolls - Personality Crisis
I wasn't into the Dolls so I don't remember if they came out before or after Glam, and when I think of Glam I think of Slade, I had their first album, and to a lesser degree, Mott The Hoople.
Glam, if I had to name a year I'd say 1974. Prog had it's core (IMHO) 70/74. Glam (for me, top of my head) > Gary Glitter, Sweet, Mud, Kiss, Alvin Stardust, Kiss again, The Tubes, some Ozzy stuff is arguably glam too.. etc ... lol...
My first chart single was...
'This town ain't big enough for the both of us - The Sparks'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAzESJ62irI
Or Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds [aka LSD] by Elton John
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp_1zK5LpV8
Both c73/74.
To this day I have no idea what influenced me towards this kind of music... no family or friends that I can think of.
For things like the New Romantics, I always, right or wrong, considered that as one of the many genuses of New Wave, as Synth-Pop, The African stuff, and I wonder if there is actually a list or family tree.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from. You might consider it the later commercial end of new wave, i.e. shock, New Romantics can actually play an instrument.
I recently found a Prog Rock family tree, but I didn't agree with a lot of it.
They used to put those in the CD sleeves of prog rock albums that I used to buy in Tokyo back on the 90s. Wanna know how Greenslade is connected with King Crimson... well roll up a doobie bro and study this little CD album sleeve insert
For that I would say they were great performers. Live music production is getting much better than the bare-bones rock concerts of the 70s (except for early Pink Floyd and the like). In a similar vein, The Thompson Twins were not great musicians or singers (though they had a good bass player on a couple albums, who wore a cool Clint Eastwood hat silhouetted in the background when they played live), but they put on great shows.
They were one of the bands I saw at uni, plus a band I liked. But more memorable were The Cramps, The Slits, Eek-a-Mouse, Linton Kwesi Johnson, Bad Manners, PIL, ABC, Orange Juice, Plasmatics, Slade (!), Death Cult (later the Cult)... and so on. A lot of 2nd and 3rd stringers, but it was only £3 or so a ticket... oh and the Simple Minds who were simply incredible that night...there is a lot to be said for smaller venues
Thanks for that introduction - another one of those names I've heard but never checked out. For example, I had a friend who was a huge Bruce Cockburn fan, who I haven't got around to checking out yet.
Nice too... I'd never heard of him! Just checked out Youtube, track #1 is accomplished (reminds me of Neil Young), but with a BIG left-wing heart on his sleeve... will look further, hope he's not always so in your face with the leftie politics though...
It was much-needed and enjoyable for me, this is how we all learn of those things that are out there but the radio stations etc. don't promote so we have to rely on word-of-mouth, and more and more that's the better stuff.
Well said, and thank you too!
Say goodbye to the friends you never made.rebeca_smith wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ963I6BVao this is my favorite
JR8 wrote:Thanks for that introduction - another one of those names I've heard but never checked out. For example, I had a friend who was a huge Bruce Cockburn fan, who I haven't got around to checking out yet.
Nice too... I'd never heard of him! Just checked out Youtube, track #1 is accomplished (reminds me of Neil Young), but with a BIG left-wing heart on his sleeve... will look further, hope he's not always so in your face with the leftie politics though...
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