I have seen few places, I assure you (I lived in USSR/Russia, Australia, Germany, Netherlands, USA ) But Singapore really beats shit out of them all...ecureilx wrote:err .. are you talking of Singapore specifically ??dimpase wrote:...Typical local motto, it seems: "let's create so many rules that we always have something to bend"...
You haven't been to many other countries I guess ..
nice .. I noticed you haven't mentioned any Asian Countries in that listdimpase wrote:I have seen few places, I assure you (I lived in USSR/Russia, Australia, Germany, Netherlands, USA ) But Singapore really beats shit out of them all...ecureilx wrote:err .. are you talking of Singapore specifically ??dimpase wrote:...Typical local motto, it seems: "let's create so many rules that we always have something to bend"...
You haven't been to many other countries I guess ..
Wow, we were thinking of a holiday in India next year but maybe we'll go somewhere else that's easier to sort out visa-wise instead.sundaymorningstaple wrote:I just finished filling out a visa application for India. Took two days to do it online
See, dimpase hasn't been to many Asian countries, I figure .. or done paperwork in Asian countries ..Mi Amigo wrote:I'm surprised that dimpase finds the experience here in Singapore so much worse than the other places he mentions (I'm assuming that's what he meant by beating the... etc.). In my experience, both the MOM and ICA have always been efficient and reliable. Supremely meticulous too, it has to be said, as my earlier example above demonstrated. ...
It's totally careless of them to list a document that has no analog in Singaporean bureaucratic chain without any explanation. And, needless to say, it's not possible to get them on the phone. The line is just 100% busy during their working hours. So the only way to find out is to go there in person. In my book it's neither efficient nor reliable.Mi Amigo wrote: I'm surprised that dimpase finds the experience here in Singapore so much worse than the other places he mentions (I'm assuming that's what he meant by beating the... etc.). In my experience, both the MOM and ICA have always been efficient and reliable. Supremely meticulous too, it has to be said, as my earlier example above demonstrated. This is why I was suggesting that ignoring an apparent requirement for a certain document is not a good idea; probably it will cause the application to fail at the first hurdle (submission of documents).
They might not need them, but they can't stop themselves from inventing more and more useless rules all the time. Perhaps that's how they express themselves. That's the experience at my work, too. This is what pisses me off most of all here.Mi Amigo wrote: Given that the criteria the authorities sometimes mention are only in relation to whether an application will be considered, I don't think they need any more flexibility than they already have. They can reject an application for their own internal reasons that they will not normally divulge to the applicant. So no need for any 'bendable' rules. As SMS has commented previously, it's their ball, their park, so they can decide who gets to join the game and how it is played. And can you blame them?
I did a bit of Japanese paperwork. It was overwhelming in the sheer number of different forms, rules, etc etc., but at least it was always possible to find out what exactly is needed.ecureilx wrote: See, dimpase hasn't been to many Asian countries, I figure .. or done paperwork in Asian countries ..
I'm pretty sure you had family registers in the USSR did you not? And why shouldn't ICA as for this paperwork? It does exist in your country and they have a right to know. After all, it is you asking to come here, not them asking you to come here.dimpase wrote:I did a bit of Japanese paperwork. It was overwhelming in the sheer number of different forms, rules, etc etc., but at least it was always possible to find out what exactly is needed.ecureilx wrote: See, dimpase hasn't been to many Asian countries, I figure .. or done paperwork in Asian countries ..
And, after all, I grew up in USSR, and it appears to me that it can be counted as half-Asian.
Nope. There was (and still is in present days Russia) a registry of residents, per household, not per family, held by the local police.sundaymorningstaple wrote: I'm pretty sure you had family registers in the USSR did you not?
Huh? My family became family in Singapore, we never resided abroad as a family. And they ask for a document that does not exist here.sundaymorningstaple wrote:
And why shouldn't ICA as for this paperwork? It does exist in your country and they have a right to know. After all, it is you asking to come here, not them asking you to come here.
Everything in India is needlessly complicated, especially when it comes to travel. They have by far the most complicatedly stupid, inefficient, and useless security checks of any airports anywhere in the world, bar none.Mi Amigo wrote:Wow, we were thinking of a holiday in India next year but maybe we'll go somewhere else that's easier to sort out visa-wise instead.sundaymorningstaple wrote:I just finished filling out a visa application for India. Took two days to do it online
Dang, and here I am, secretly dreaming of another backpacking trip to India. China's visa application was already complicated enough. In my last trip to China, I had to put in ridiculous effort to fill out the forms and among the nonsensical details they wanted to know:zzm9980 wrote:Everything in India is needlessly complicated, especially when it comes to travel. They have by far the most complicatedly stupid, inefficient, and useless security checks of any airports anywhere in the world, bar none.Mi Amigo wrote:Wow, we were thinking of a holiday in India next year but maybe we'll go somewhere else that's easier to sort out visa-wise instead.sundaymorningstaple wrote:I just finished filling out a visa application for India. Took two days to do it online
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