Don't fret too much about the pay - it's a little low - but at least you have a job offer and the company is willing to pay for your studies, and it sounds like their is career progression ahead if you work hard.sambosoul wrote:Hello Community,
I'm desperately looking for help to evaluate a conditional job offer.
Just some quick facts about myself:
- 26 years old
- trained as an IT Specialist (2004-2007) => 3 years work experience
- graduated from a prestigious German University in July 2011 in Management Information Systems with GPA 3.5
During my studies, I worked for a major american car supplier company in Bangkok, Thailand (1 year).
Upon graduation in July last year, I've been working for this company in Shanghai, China, supporting several IT projects and also leading one of them.
I have applied for a M.Sc. IS course at both NTU and NUS. In case I get admitted, I could start working for the same company in our Singapore office.
the conditional offer:
S$ 3500/month
+ full paid studies
(downside: 2 year commitment to stay with company upon graduation)
+ 15% bonus p.a.
Currently, there's no housing allowance agreement.
This is a local contract.
What do you guys think? According to various Singapore Salary sites, S$3500 can be considered as an average starting salary for a graduate.
But in my opinion, a graduate is defined as a young post-student without working experience. I've got pre-graduate AND post-graduate experience. Shouldn't that be considered too?
The job title would be "IT project coordinator". In the long-term, they want me to become the IT Manager Asia-Pacific (bear in mind, this could be wishful thinking though).
Any advice or ideas are highly appreciated.
To be honest, I'm not sure of salaries for IT grads / experienced hires in any industry other than banking & finance.sambosoul wrote:Billy,
Thanks for your timely response. Well, if I would leave right after graduation, I would probably have to pay back the tuition.
I'm even thinking about to pay the tuition by myself and not to make this commitment. I guess both NUS and NTU offer great career services.
Anyway, from your opinion, what could be considered as an appropriate salary? I would be satisfied with S$5000.
That's correct, I do not possess an EP yet. Of course my company will take care of all these things e.g. work permit etc. The whole process kicks in upon agreement.Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject:
a) You don't have an EP yet for your job, do you? I imagine that the company will not file until you commit. You should _probably_ qualify for an EP but these days it is a lot more of a crap shoot.
No, I would study part-time. It's gonna be tough anyway because I would work from 8AM - 5PM and have classes from 6PM - 9PM. Therefore, they would also just pay the reduced PT tuition.b) You are going to school full time and working? That's a mighty nice company. If full time studies, I don't think you can commit to the level that someone not going to school could... therefore, S$3500 isn't so out of line. And, I dunno... can you go to school while working on an EP?
Well, currently I'm responsible for the Business Process Redesign. Basically, I am pointing out the current "as is" process and highlighting the weak spots in terms of costs and time. This is a preparation work for the upcoming ERP system change in Summer/Fall this year. Within this major system change, I am the business leader for the future IBM Cognos BI Reporting.c) Your salary might be slightly low, but not by much, especially as I don't know exactly what you do. A person capable of running infrastructure projects with 6 to 8 years of experience will make S$6K to S$8K per month. The best will make more... we're talking about competent... or maybe no so competent. Could you manage the refresh of 7000 PC's across Asia? I had a tech PM that did this for me at S$8K per month.
I am aware of that, yes. But I do not entirely agree. When I look at my office, most local people (chinese) do not deserve the title "Manager" or "Supervisor". They lack of assertiveness, aggressiveness. They could never sack somebody because they always want to be friends with everybody. This is a fact. At least in my office.d) Finally, the plus side for you is a foreign education and previous MNC experience... this could kick you into a better pay grade. The negative side is that there are thousands of Asians/Indians, who, while lacking the context of a foreign education, are nevertheless quite bright and willing to work for less than you are; hence the downward pressure.
This is because aggressiveness and assertiveness are not the best way to achieve things in Asia!sambosoul wrote:People like to show their business cards bearing the manager title on the front, but when you look at these people, they usually lack of of the aggressiveness and assertiveness you usually expect from a manager.
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