Not just jobs. In schools too. I think it's part of some Singaporeans thinking that they are "above" other SEA races. In NUS, Singaporeans students act very condescending towards their SEA peers, especially in freshman year, when the SEA students haven't yet been able to prove themselves.ankle wrote:
Why do we hate other SEA nations (ie, pinoys, indonesian and etc)?
Actually, i don't hate these ppl. But i've noticed quite alot of singaporean blame them for taking away their jobs. I think the blame should be put on the employer for hiring cheap labour rather than anything else. Unfortunately, not everybody agree with me when I point that out.
Ankle, despite your claims in your opening paragraph, you are almost a textbook example of the passive aggression / racism exhibited here.ankle wrote:I'm a singaporean and I've been lurking around this forum to understand what is happening on this side of the fence as I'm tired of reading locals putting the blame on FT/FW on almost every issues in the other forums.
Please be assured that not every singaporean is discreminate against the foreigners. There are singaporean who defended you guys in the other forums.
As a local, I felt that I have to do my part by explaining where does all these "hates" comes from.
For starters, pls understand that discremination doesn't happen overnight. It's accumulative over the years. Also, sometimes oppies use this as a tool to generate people's hate towards pap.
Now, to zoom down into details.
Why do we hate PRC?
Probably because of the culture difference, sometimes, PRC exhibit certain behaviors which annoys the local. ie, speaking loudly on the phone, being inconsiderate, having affairs with sg husbands and cheating money from the sg retired males. I know the last 2 isn't entirely their fault, but not everyone sees that.
Why do we hate other SEA nations (ie, pinoys, indonesian and etc)?
Actually, i don't hate these ppl. But i've noticed quite alot of singaporean blame them for taking away their jobs. I think the blame should be put on the employer for hiring cheap labour rather than anything else. Unfortunately, not everybody agree with me when I point that out.
Why do we hate the "ang mohs"?
Sometimes, the arrogancy that some of the ang mohs have exhibit could be rather annoying. Also, we tend to have high expectation of the ang mohs because they must be good to be paid that much. And when they failed to meet our expectations, we tend to speak ill of them probably out of jealousy and bitterness, thinking, "why is he/she in that position and earning that much when I could do it better?".
Why do we hate the Indians?
You know why, we know why and they probably pretend to know why. Do we need to say more about this?
not really... I've noticed the folks here are rather discreminated against Indians as well.BillyB wrote:Ankle, despite your claims in your opening paragraph, you are almost a textbook example of the passive aggression / racism exhibited here.ankle wrote:I'm a singaporean and I've been lurking around this forum to understand what is happening on this side of the fence as I'm tired of reading locals putting the blame on FT/FW on almost every issues in the other forums.
Please be assured that not every singaporean is discreminate against the foreigners. There are singaporean who defended you guys in the other forums.
As a local, I felt that I have to do my part by explaining where does all these "hates" comes from.
For starters, pls understand that discremination doesn't happen overnight. It's accumulative over the years. Also, sometimes oppies use this as a tool to generate people's hate towards pap.
Now, to zoom down into details.
Why do we hate PRC?
Probably because of the culture difference, sometimes, PRC exhibit certain behaviors which annoys the local. ie, speaking loudly on the phone, being inconsiderate, having affairs with sg husbands and cheating money from the sg retired males. I know the last 2 isn't entirely their fault, but not everyone sees that.
Why do we hate other SEA nations (ie, pinoys, indonesian and etc)?
Actually, i don't hate these ppl. But i've noticed quite alot of singaporean blame them for taking away their jobs. I think the blame should be put on the employer for hiring cheap labour rather than anything else. Unfortunately, not everybody agree with me when I point that out.
Why do we hate the "ang mohs"?
Sometimes, the arrogancy that some of the ang mohs have exhibit could be rather annoying. Also, we tend to have high expectation of the ang mohs because they must be good to be paid that much. And when they failed to meet our expectations, we tend to speak ill of them probably out of jealousy and bitterness, thinking, "why is he/she in that position and earning that much when I could do it better?".
Why do we hate the Indians?
You know why, we know why and they probably pretend to know why. Do we need to say more about this?
Your comment on Indians is child-like and pathetic.
Blast computer timed out and i lost the reply! No SMS it wasn't long, just that my typing speed and the new mackintosh isn't helping. Ankle we understand its a minority of people and parents are also not helping to teach their children polite manners. it's the same in Chav City Lancaaster UK.ankle wrote:I'm a singaporean and I've been lurking around this forum to understand what is happening on this side of the fence as I'm tired of reading locals putting the blame on FT/FW on almost every issues in the other forums.
Please be assured that not every singaporean is discreminate against the foreigners. There are singaporean who defended you guys in the other forums.
As a local, I felt that I have to do my part by explaining where does all these "hates" comes from.
For starters, pls understand that discremination doesn't happen overnight. It's accumulative over the years. Also, sometimes oppies use this as a tool to generate people's hate towards pap.
Now, to zoom down into details.
Why do we hate PRC?
Probably because of the culture difference, sometimes, PRC exhibit certain behaviors which annoys the local. ie, speaking loudly on the phone, being inconsiderate, having affairs with sg husbands and cheating money from the sg retired males. I know the last 2 isn't entirely their fault, but not everyone sees that.
Why do we hate other SEA nations (ie, pinoys, indonesian and etc)?
Actually, i don't hate these ppl. But i've noticed quite alot of singaporean blame them for taking away their jobs. I think the blame should be put on the employer for hiring cheap labour rather than anything else. Unfortunately, not everybody agree with me when I point that out.
Why do we hate the "ang mohs"?
Sometimes, the arrogancy that some of the ang mohs have exhibit could be rather annoying. Also, we tend to have high expectation of the ang mohs because they must be good to be paid that much. And when they failed to meet our expectations, we tend to speak ill of them probably out of jealousy and bitterness, thinking, "why is he/she in that position and earning that much when I could do it better?".
Why do we hate the Indians?
You know why, we know why and they probably pretend to know why. Do we need to say more about this?
Well, good for you that you doesn't care about other people's opinion. Ditto for me. In fact, I have this slogan, "Do I look like I freaking Care!!!" printed across my wallet...nutnut wrote:I think Ankle is right, I can be really arrogant sometimes and I can see why some people wouldn't like that, it's part of my sense of humour though, again, something that is not understood out side of my home land
Thing is, I don't care what people think about me!
Bet they were on time after that. Sometimes, if you don't make a Singaporean "lose face" they will never change.ankle wrote:[
I remembered I was in one of those day tour in a foreign land. While the whole bus was waiting for this singaporean family, the ang moh driver told us to clap when they board the bus which we did. This did not really goes well with that family. They became angry and sulk for the rest of the day.
The family refused to go down the bus since that stop...sundaymorningstaple wrote:Bet they were on time after that. Sometimes, if you don't make a Singaporean "lose face" they will never change.ankle wrote:[
I remembered I was in one of those day tour in a foreign land. While the whole bus was waiting for this singaporean family, the ang moh driver told us to clap when they board the bus which we did. This did not really goes well with that family. They became angry and sulk for the rest of the day.
Good demonstration of that? Littering. They still throw their garbage all over their HDB estate with the teens the biggest culprits. Why? The only thing they understand here are fines. If they think they won't get caught, they throw even though a bin is less than 5 metres away. As a member of our RC I see this all the time. Why is that? They been trained to throw it on the ground or leave it on the tables cause they know the Foreign Worker estate cleaners will clean up after the pigs have left?
Without fines, nothing changes. Witness 33 years of courtesy campaigns. I've been here for 30 of them and there is no discernible difference between then and now. It's seems that the lack of courtesy, like myopia here, is a genetic defect so it's virtually impossible to teach you courtesy. Put fines and at least you can be trained using the Pavlovian response method.
I'm old enough but too young to be interested in the singapore politics.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Ankle, are you old enough to remember when GCT was the Prime Minister? In one of his speeches he even commented about the same thing. His take? If every Singaporean doesn't confront the litterbug or inconsiderate/rude Singaporean about their behaviour, then they are just as guilty as the person doing it. Why? Because you are tacitly, by not saying anything, approving of their actions. This is from your previous Prime Minister while still the PM. So don't say it's purely a Western/AngMo viewpoint.
If you confront your friends, why don't you confront inconsiderate strangers? Most westerners are very outspoken when they see something being done that is antisocial. Singaporeans, on the other hand, seem to think that it isn't any of their business. That is exactly WHY things don't change here. (and NO I haven't seen any discernible changes in 30 years here - or if there are, so so minute, that the rest overshadows all else). Or, as my wife used to say, don't say anything, you will get bashed up. (my wife is local) Today, she is as hardcore as I am. She will scold anybody if necessary. Oh, bashed up? nah. Most are too dumbfounded to reply, as they are used to other Singaporeans agreeing with their behaviour cause they don't say anything.ankle wrote:I'm old enough but too young to be interested in the singapore politics.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Ankle, are you old enough to remember when GCT was the Prime Minister? In one of his speeches he even commented about the same thing. His take? If every Singaporean doesn't confront the litterbug or inconsiderate/rude Singaporean about their behaviour, then they are just as guilty as the person doing it. Why? Because you are tacitly, by not saying anything, approving of their actions. This is from your previous Prime Minister while still the PM. So don't say it's purely a Western/AngMo viewpoint.
I do confront my friend when I see them litter but I'm not sure why you would link this to westerner/Angmoh pov?
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