dbb01 wrote:Hi,
1. Assuming we are in Singapore, leave Singapore before 11 or 13 - we are hoping for 13 as if we are in Singapore, this would let him finish his primary school education and also ties in with the timing for a british boarding school. But would this have any adverse impact on his ability to defer and renounce his citizenship?
Depends , if you follow the steps to the T , you should be alright . BEFORE 13 is the latest
2. When he is 13, write to ICA and MinDef to announce intention to renounce citizenship. Apply for an exit permit, citing overseas study.
Correct
3. Ensure that he does not have a valid Singapore passport from the age of 11 and don't collect his NRIC - if we apply for a Singapore passport for him but do not renew it past the age of 11 (i.e. have 2 5-year validity passports), is this ok? I believe we should surrender the expired passports at an overseas consular or to ICA?
Correct that's the plan
4. Register for NS at 16.5 and formally ask for deferment to 21 - do we submit the form for deferment at this time or do we submit earlier since the form can be submitted from age 13?
Once your application to renounce is accepted. Another set of docs. "Application for Deferment till 21 prior renounciation" will be posted to you. CMPB will register your child for NS automatically at 16.5 and they will send a letter to provide you another EP which will last till 21 prior renounciation. Unless son status changes in terms of residency, he will be allowed to renounce by then.
Other questions:
1. As mentioned, his father is a Singaporean. I have read that it is best for both parents to give up citizenship to ensure that the deferment has the highest chance of going through. Is this true? If it is, does the father need to have the foreign citizenship at 13 or 16.5 when we formally request for deferment. This is because even if we go overseas with our kid at 11/13, it will take a few years for him to get his british citizenship which might only come through when the kid is 16.
Correct it does carries weight. Dad must have foreign citizenship at the earliest possible time and apply to renounce SG Citizenship by 13
2. At the age of 21, if the kid decides not to give up his Singapore citizenship, can he just go back to serve NS or does he have to renounce his citizenship as he has stated his intention to do so previously.
Correct but at 21 he needs to take pledge "Oath of allegiance to SG and renounce Bri Citizenship vice versa.
3. Also, at age 21, if he has a few months left (< 6m) to complete his uni but is perfectly willing to go back to serve his NS instead of renouncing, will he be able to get an extension? I am calculating that my baby will be born early next year and going by the british system, he will probably finish uni in june the year he turns 21, which means a few months difference.
Yes you can do that but still need to decide which citizenship to hold after 21
4. Lastly, this question is for me. If I renounce my Singapore citizenship to take up the British one, would I be able to work/live in Singapore subsequently? From what I read, the chances are slim but as I am not a male, would this be easier for me?
NO way SISTER . Visit yes, PR / WORK IMPOSSIBLE unless Harry pass away
Many thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for the lengthy post.
I thought the system is designed to prevent your kid from completing PSLE and therefore add inconvenience to you. Which month was he born? Sounds like he stand a better chance born in december than january if you aim to maximize the "benefit" aka PSLEdbb01 wrote:Many thanks for all your response.
Koalabear, my kid will have british citizenship by birth and will qualify for a british passport to leave the country without using the SG passport so don't intend to renew/hold a valid passport after 11.
SMS, just to clarify, we are hoping to bring the kid overseas at age 12.5 (leaving abt 6m to <1 year before he turns 13). Would this be a bad idea? I guess the other idea is not to finish primary schooling which is fine but as overseas schools start in sept, we will face the same situation as we will end up bringing the kid out in sept and he will turn 13 the following year.
OPdbb01 wrote:MS, yes, we did think of that but unfortunately, due to personal (health) reasons, it is better to give birth in SG. Which is why we are now stuck as we could have avoided all these problems if we give birth overseas and not register as Sger.
This is essentially what I did for my son - my wife is Singaporean, he was born in the UK. He is now in Singapore on a DP.dbb01 wrote:MS, many thanks for your advice. Will think abt not getting an SG passport and using his foreign passport and get the relevant stamps/visa.
I have to say I wonder about the sanity of someone who is currently in the UK going back to Singapore to give birth when the NHS is certainly not significantly worse than Singapore, a lot cheaper and doesn't give you all these complex, but personal has experience has taught me never to argue with a pregnant Singaporeandbb01 wrote:manutdfan, I have no problems with getting a british citizenship as I meet all the requirements and not in breach of any rules as we are still based in the UK and intend to remain there for some time. The reason for this post is to find out the consequences of giving birth in SG (which we want to do) and what would happen if we decide to relocate back to SG sometime in the future (which is a possibility as no one knows the future).
I am British - I met my wife in England and we got married in Singapore but we were both living in England at the time. I am now on an EP here and in Singapore.dbb01 wrote: For british citizenship, as long as you have the intention to stay in the UK at the time of application (which we do), even if these plans change in the future (which the UKBA allows for), it doesn't mean that you haven't met the requirements and they will revoke the citizenship. But thanks for your concern.
Could I find out if you are are British and Singapore PR? Did you register your child as SGer or simply avoided the whole issue and made him British?
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