The reason he was turned down is because the parents did not, and I have stressed this over and over for the past 3 years on this board, read the requirements of the Singapore government. I know it doesn't help, as hindsight is always 20-20. But, it is not because he traveled to Malaysia on his Singapore pass, it is because he had a valid Singapore passport after reaching the age of 11. He may have NEVER USED the Singapore passport at all. Just having a valid one after the age of 11 made him eligible for NS. It's is the same as having an NRIC.RichardUK wrote: His application to defer NS pending renounciation of citizenship at age 21 has been turned down. I suspect this is because he used his Singapore passport to travel to Malaysia when aged 11. [Things you would do differently if you had your time again; no reason why he couldn't have used his British passport for this trip].
Any thoughts?
Pointer for those (like me) who missed it:sundaymorningstaple wrote:With the current case making the news at the moment with the 3 Norwegian brothers here, I don't think you are going to have much success in getting around the law.
PHK wrote:While I am not an attorney, this is not legal advice, but if you would like to know-
Exemption from Singapore NS critical information:
1. Get you son's out of Singapore before their 11th birthday (age 13 is unconfirmed)
Ans: Correct.
2. Then send a registered letter, with postcard return receipt for yourself, to ICA declaring intention to renounce child's citizenship at age 21
Ans: If your son failed to aquire another citizenship first before coming to them, ICA will not even want to entertain you at all.
3. Make sure the Singapore Passport expires before the 11th birthday and/or include it with the registered letter for cancellation / surrender. Personally I would not alter the passport, expired or valid, as that in itself may be regarded as a criminal offense latter.
Ans: Correct.
4. Never ever collect a Pink IC or renew a Singapore Passport past the 11th birthday
Ans: Correct.
5. Apply online for an Exit Permit within 3 months of the 13th birthday (even though you have allowed the Singapore Passport to expire or had it canceled / surrendered before the 11th birthday)
Ans: Yet again if you failed to get 'green light' from ICA or mindef, you'll need to place a surety bonds S$75k/son before they issue your son any exit permits. For this case, online application is NOT allow here.
6. Register for NS at age 16.5 (or age 17?) and ask for a deferment to age 21 when renunciation can be made
Ans: Usually if you get deferment for your son from age 13yrs, your son will get to defer from NS duty till he renounces SG citiznehsip at age 21. If you failed to get it for your son at 13yrs, chance will be they WILL NOT grant him any further extension of exit permits at age 16yrs anymore.
7. If either parent is a PR or Singapore Citizen, assuming that you too have left Singapore, then they too should renounce your PR or citizenship as soon as possible and collect their hard earned CPF savings
Ans: Up to individual.
8. Renounce the son's Singapore Citizenship on the 21st birthday making sure that a foreign citizenship has been secured first using their special renunciation form that needs to be notarized and is not available on the ICA web site. Do NOT allow your son's to visit Singapore even on a foreign passport until you have the renunciation acceptance letter.
Ans: If you failed to secure a exit permit at age 13 yrs for your son to remain overseas, chance that they will 'force' your son to serve his 2yrs NS liabilty.
9. Keep up with changes in the law. Never ever trust ICA or MidDef, do not communicate with them in writing in any way that could be construed as assisting a potential NS defaulter in a court of law latter , beware as they will use all technicalities available. I am sure they are reading this too.
Ans: Talk to them. It is through 'proper communication' that you know where your son position stand. I did just that, follow their rules & now my 2 sons gotton their NS deferrment & exit permit with no problem at all. Best is no surety bonds for them.
Good luck!
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